The useful Envoy thread
08-02-2014 | 01:21 PM
#381
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Um yeah by cold calling people over the phone and offering them class dates on the spot with no interview required. I'm sorry but Eagle is a bit more picky than that with their hiring practices. You are not comparing apples to apples my friend. Also I don't believe for a minute that we are trying real hard to fill classes, I think they want to shrink this company down, but who really knows why....
08-02-2014 | 02:12 PM
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This is a foolish debate about voting yes on the previous offer based on the opportunity to flow.
They are withholding our pilots against the current contract. They are withholding usair wholly owned regionals flow pilots without regard to their contract.
They will continue to do the same regardless of what you sign. If that means you being withheld until they decide to fold the company, that's what is going to happen. Voting yes on a future flow that isn't even being honored in multiple instances currently is stupid.
The only way I'd vote yes on anything regarding a flow is if it contains AA numbers for everyone at upgrade. Airline folds? So what, you hop off unemployment when your number's called.
They are withholding our pilots against the current contract. They are withholding usair wholly owned regionals flow pilots without regard to their contract.
They will continue to do the same regardless of what you sign. If that means you being withheld until they decide to fold the company, that's what is going to happen. Voting yes on a future flow that isn't even being honored in multiple instances currently is stupid.
The only way I'd vote yes on anything regarding a flow is if it contains AA numbers for everyone at upgrade. Airline folds? So what, you hop off unemployment when your number's called.
08-02-2014 | 02:12 PM
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Um yeah by cold calling people over the phone and offering them class dates on the spot with no interview required. I'm sorry but Eagle is a bit more picky than that with their hiring practices. You are not comparing apples to apples my friend. Also I don't believe for a minute that we are trying real hard to fill classes, I think they want to shrink this company down, but who really knows why....
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08-02-2014 | 02:28 PM
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Um yeah by cold calling people over the phone and offering them class dates on the spot with no interview required. I'm sorry but Eagle is a bit more picky than that with their hiring practices. You are not comparing apples to apples my friend. Also I don't believe for a minute that we are trying real hard to fill classes, I think they want to shrink this company down, but who really knows why....
Picky? LOL!
08-02-2014 | 03:05 PM
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So in your view, all the no voters mistakenly believed that DP and company would just roll over and cave in, saying, "Yep, they hanging tough, lets's not waste any more time and send all the new aircraft to ENY?" Do you really think all the no voters felt there would be no pain and consequences?
08-02-2014 | 03:09 PM
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Do you really think the pilots have any say at all in whether or not the regionals exist? If you do I think you're vastly overestimating your role in this machine. If contracts truly mattered to regional pilots not a single person would go to Mesa, but they're filling classes. As long as the mainline carrot exists there will be no shortage of pilots trading short term pain for PIC time and the shot at a major.
As to whether or not I believe the no voters thought there would be pain, I don't. I believe the no voters got caught up in the union propaganda of a pilot shortage. The reason I believe this is because a lot of the most vocal no voters are the ones now desperate for an "announcement". The pilot group made a calculated gamble given the information we had at the time. We lost the gamble, it's time to pay the debt.
As to whether or not I believe the no voters thought there would be pain, I don't. I believe the no voters got caught up in the union propaganda of a pilot shortage. The reason I believe this is because a lot of the most vocal no voters are the ones now desperate for an "announcement". The pilot group made a calculated gamble given the information we had at the time. We lost the gamble, it's time to pay the debt.
Further, any talk of an announcement, or a negotiation, or a meeting or whatever is just speculation. In any event, I don't see the pilots wavering on concessions.
I think it is more likely envoy will merge with another regional.
08-02-2014 | 03:12 PM
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I hear what you are saying but I don't agree.
Further, any talk of an announcement, or a negotiation, or a meeting or whatever is just speculation. In any event, I don't see the pilots wavering on concessions.
I think it is more likely envoy will merge with another regional.
Further, any talk of an announcement, or a negotiation, or a meeting or whatever is just speculation. In any event, I don't see the pilots wavering on concessions.
I think it is more likely envoy will merge with another regional.
08-02-2014 | 03:37 PM
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I hear what you are saying but I don't agree.
Further, any talk of an announcement, or a negotiation, or a meeting or whatever is just speculation. In any event, I don't see the pilots wavering on concessions.
I think it is more likely envoy will merge with another regional.
Further, any talk of an announcement, or a negotiation, or a meeting or whatever is just speculation. In any event, I don't see the pilots wavering on concessions.
I think it is more likely envoy will merge with another regional.
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