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Old 09-04-2014 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunkin
You just watch and lets see if these are growth or not. We only have 35 -200s so it would be at least 12 growth aircraft regardless but the plan is to have 128 CRJ2/7/9 by the end of 2016. We can fill classes, Endeavor can not.
Endeavor can fill classes, they just don't want to.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 02:45 PM
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I was at Comair until the end. This is almost a carbon copy of how it started there. As for the name-calling and nasty comments, that helps no one. There isn't a person on here that really knows what they would or would not do in a particular situation until their backs are against the wall.

As for the guys and gals that are going to PSA to fly these planes, don't blame them. Over the years, numerous airlines have been "the bad guy:" Mesa, Great Lakes, even Eagle (if you have a long enough memory). We live in a Wal-Mart society, and by that I mean we have all complained about losing jobs to China, yet we race to Wal-Mart or Target for a sale on a product that is no longer made here.

This is the same thing, and until the folks at ALPA National change the way ALPA is structured and does business, this will continue.

I also think this is one of the ways that management will deal with the lack of pilots: reduce the RJ flying, and then move the remainder of the planes around. They know that a certain number of pilots from Envoy will recycle through, just like a certain number at Comair did. But, it won't be all of them, and some will leave the industry and not come back. Combined with the lack of new pilots entering the pipeline (it's not enough to stem the retirement tide), this sort of action is simply a Band-Aid on a fire hydrant.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
I was at Comair until the end. This is almost a carbon copy of how it started there. As for the name-calling and nasty comments, that helps no one. There isn't a person on here that really knows what they would or would not do in a particular situation until their backs are against the wall.

As for the guys and gals that are going to PSA to fly these planes, don't blame them. Over the years, numerous airlines have been "the bad guy:" Mesa, Great Lakes, even Eagle (if you have a long enough memory). We live in a Wal-Mart society, and by that I mean we have all complained about losing jobs to China, yet we race to Wal-Mart or Target for a sale on a product that is no longer made here.

This is the same thing, and until the folks at ALPA National change the way ALPA is structured and does business, this will continue.

I also think this is one of the ways that management will deal with the lack of pilots: reduce the RJ flying, and then move the remainder of the planes around. They know that a certain number of pilots from Envoy will recycle through, just like a certain number at Comair did. But, it won't be all of them, and some will leave the industry and not come back. Combined with the lack of new pilots entering the pipeline (it's not enough to stem the retirement tide), this sort of action is simply a Band-Aid on a fire hydrant.
Thanks for the insight, if I wasn't out if the industry in December i would be applying at other regionals. I really can't think of a reason why anyone would stay here anymore.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramprat
There is a little thing pertained to the Railway Labor act called "Illegal Job Action". Look it up.
Precedent has shown there to be a variety of ways around such things. Look it up...
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Old 09-04-2014 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
Thanks for the insight, if I wasn't out if the industry in December i would be applying at other regionals. I really can't think of a reason why anyone would stay here anymore.

Where are you off to??
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Old 09-04-2014 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
What are you even talking about? go back to reading the newspaper in your airbus.
You are calling for the PSA pilots to have a sickout.

Everyone on this forum a few weeks back or month or two ago said there was going to be a sickout this week correct?

To my knowledge there was no sickout. Did you call in sick? Because you are calling for others to do so. Feel free to not answer again.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 03:09 PM
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...this is such awesome news!!!
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Old 09-04-2014 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JT8D
Your point is invalid. PSA pilots are cheap bottom feeding backstabbers. Air Wisconsin pilots are a good group of people who would stand beside us.
Never said anything about PSA pilots. Also never said anything about air Wisconsin pilots - other than they are a regional and didn't participate in the regional sickout that was scheduled to occur (and tons of chest beating on here not too long ago) but to my knowledge didn't participate.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ChickHicks
Where are you off to??
Family business, I actually wanted to fly for a mainline eventually but my dad is getting older and it's time.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
I also think this is one of the ways that management will deal with the lack of pilots: reduce the RJ flying, and then move the remainder of the planes around. They know that a certain number of pilots from Envoy will recycle through, just like a certain number at Comair did. But, it won't be all of them, and some will leave the industry and not come back. Combined with the lack of new pilots entering the pipeline (it's not enough to stem the retirement tide), this sort of action is simply a Band-Aid on a fire hydrant.
I tend to agree with your assessment in this paragraph. All that's been happening is the shuffling of pilots and the shuffling of airplanes. But there isn't any regional who is in a position to take on new flying, the pilots just don't exist.

I also agree that anytime an airline shuts down that a significant percentage of pilots won't or can't come back. I would guess at least 20%.

This would be one situation where a more flattened payscale would have significant benefits in my opinion. For one thing, I think pilots would be treated better if management had to deal with FO attrition because airline B is slightly better. Secondly, when an airline does shutter, its easier to move on.
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