More great news at Envoy!
#61
Endeavor can fill classes, they just don't want to.
#62
I was at Comair until the end. This is almost a carbon copy of how it started there. As for the name-calling and nasty comments, that helps no one. There isn't a person on here that really knows what they would or would not do in a particular situation until their backs are against the wall.
As for the guys and gals that are going to PSA to fly these planes, don't blame them. Over the years, numerous airlines have been "the bad guy:" Mesa, Great Lakes, even Eagle (if you have a long enough memory). We live in a Wal-Mart society, and by that I mean we have all complained about losing jobs to China, yet we race to Wal-Mart or Target for a sale on a product that is no longer made here.
This is the same thing, and until the folks at ALPA National change the way ALPA is structured and does business, this will continue.
I also think this is one of the ways that management will deal with the lack of pilots: reduce the RJ flying, and then move the remainder of the planes around. They know that a certain number of pilots from Envoy will recycle through, just like a certain number at Comair did. But, it won't be all of them, and some will leave the industry and not come back. Combined with the lack of new pilots entering the pipeline (it's not enough to stem the retirement tide), this sort of action is simply a Band-Aid on a fire hydrant.
As for the guys and gals that are going to PSA to fly these planes, don't blame them. Over the years, numerous airlines have been "the bad guy:" Mesa, Great Lakes, even Eagle (if you have a long enough memory). We live in a Wal-Mart society, and by that I mean we have all complained about losing jobs to China, yet we race to Wal-Mart or Target for a sale on a product that is no longer made here.
This is the same thing, and until the folks at ALPA National change the way ALPA is structured and does business, this will continue.
I also think this is one of the ways that management will deal with the lack of pilots: reduce the RJ flying, and then move the remainder of the planes around. They know that a certain number of pilots from Envoy will recycle through, just like a certain number at Comair did. But, it won't be all of them, and some will leave the industry and not come back. Combined with the lack of new pilots entering the pipeline (it's not enough to stem the retirement tide), this sort of action is simply a Band-Aid on a fire hydrant.
#63
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I was at Comair until the end. This is almost a carbon copy of how it started there. As for the name-calling and nasty comments, that helps no one. There isn't a person on here that really knows what they would or would not do in a particular situation until their backs are against the wall.
As for the guys and gals that are going to PSA to fly these planes, don't blame them. Over the years, numerous airlines have been "the bad guy:" Mesa, Great Lakes, even Eagle (if you have a long enough memory). We live in a Wal-Mart society, and by that I mean we have all complained about losing jobs to China, yet we race to Wal-Mart or Target for a sale on a product that is no longer made here.
This is the same thing, and until the folks at ALPA National change the way ALPA is structured and does business, this will continue.
I also think this is one of the ways that management will deal with the lack of pilots: reduce the RJ flying, and then move the remainder of the planes around. They know that a certain number of pilots from Envoy will recycle through, just like a certain number at Comair did. But, it won't be all of them, and some will leave the industry and not come back. Combined with the lack of new pilots entering the pipeline (it's not enough to stem the retirement tide), this sort of action is simply a Band-Aid on a fire hydrant.
As for the guys and gals that are going to PSA to fly these planes, don't blame them. Over the years, numerous airlines have been "the bad guy:" Mesa, Great Lakes, even Eagle (if you have a long enough memory). We live in a Wal-Mart society, and by that I mean we have all complained about losing jobs to China, yet we race to Wal-Mart or Target for a sale on a product that is no longer made here.
This is the same thing, and until the folks at ALPA National change the way ALPA is structured and does business, this will continue.
I also think this is one of the ways that management will deal with the lack of pilots: reduce the RJ flying, and then move the remainder of the planes around. They know that a certain number of pilots from Envoy will recycle through, just like a certain number at Comair did. But, it won't be all of them, and some will leave the industry and not come back. Combined with the lack of new pilots entering the pipeline (it's not enough to stem the retirement tide), this sort of action is simply a Band-Aid on a fire hydrant.
#65
#66
Everyone on this forum a few weeks back or month or two ago said there was going to be a sickout this week correct?
To my knowledge there was no sickout. Did you call in sick? Because you are calling for others to do so. Feel free to not answer again.
#68
Never said anything about PSA pilots. Also never said anything about air Wisconsin pilots - other than they are a regional and didn't participate in the regional sickout that was scheduled to occur (and tons of chest beating on here not too long ago) but to my knowledge didn't participate.
#70
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I also think this is one of the ways that management will deal with the lack of pilots: reduce the RJ flying, and then move the remainder of the planes around. They know that a certain number of pilots from Envoy will recycle through, just like a certain number at Comair did. But, it won't be all of them, and some will leave the industry and not come back. Combined with the lack of new pilots entering the pipeline (it's not enough to stem the retirement tide), this sort of action is simply a Band-Aid on a fire hydrant.
I also agree that anytime an airline shuts down that a significant percentage of pilots won't or can't come back. I would guess at least 20%.
This would be one situation where a more flattened payscale would have significant benefits in my opinion. For one thing, I think pilots would be treated better if management had to deal with FO attrition because airline B is slightly better. Secondly, when an airline does shutter, its easier to move on.
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