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Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1757596)

Here's what you don't get associate from F&S, when you do a job so well that your company becomes a brand that's worth something.

AAG is making record profit and at the helm is a guy who could never pass the background check. You threaten our jobs on one hand and then beg congress to relax the ATP requirements on the other.

So let me ask you, even with your 12/4 and insurance increases, how are you going to address the fact that our top 500 pilots are at the top tier pay? They have all deferred flowing and we have more captains than PSA has pilots.

If you want to shut us down, that's your choice. 70% of us told you last time what you can do with your concessions. Not that you care, I'm sure you're getting paid by the hour. So start up a new airline, offer street captain spots, and all the while Delta has put maneuvered you again.

Delta is busy taking flying back from regionals so they control the customer experience better. You clowns have now taken us to what, 10 regionals?

11 Regionals...

You want the amendment round credit now,how about 90 million between 2200 pilots.....40,000 signing bonus all paid right now, then it may Slightly pass.

Hi fsh solutions, I don't know how you sleep at night.

The top 500 are not topped out. Barely 300 are topped out

Any good recipies people want to share?

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Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 1757631)

The top 500 are not topped out. Barely 300 are topped out

If you're at step 15 then you get to move to step 18 without being capped. So the top 500 have all deferred will be maxed out in less than three years. The top 500 also get more PTO and obvious bidding preferences so they hold the most productive lines. All of which is not addressed by the last TA.

I'm pretty sure the next TA will be like the last.

Don't give'em any feedbacks/ideas. Let them sweat and lets go Silent mode...... oh and btw solid NO.

Yep. A lot of chatter here about details we haven't seen. It's also been pointed out that any info we do get that isn't official is a deliberate company leak. I wonder who is buddies enough with management to get that info?

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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1757684)

Mason for 500

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Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1757556)

450fs another from Jerry's kids group.

To answer part of your question what would it take, parker Kirby and glass to resign immediately from aag and any affiliations to aag would be a start just to read the new proposal. Because NO is NO. The concession stand is closed forever.

Do you really think their replacements would do any different? Richard's even more brutal when it comes to his feeders and so is Count Chocula over at United. All airline execs whipsaw labor against labor and at the regional level is where it plays out the most since that’s where they have to most opportunity. As a feeder you will always have mainlines thumb on you so take my advice is get the hell out as soon as possible. Don’t make it a career and with the retirements and demand for pilots at mainline over the next 10+ years there’s no longer an excuse to stay.

Fight a good fight but bail when you can and understand that at the regional level you may win a battle here and there but you will lose the war.

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Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1757596)

Here's what you don't get associate from F&S, when you do a job so well that your company becomes a brand that's worth something.

AAG is making record profit and at the helm is a guy who could never pass the background check. You threaten our jobs on one hand and then beg congress to relax the ATP requirements on the other.

So let me ask you, even with your 12/4 and insurance increases, how are you going to address the fact that our top 500 pilots are at the top tier pay? They have all deferred flowing and we have more captains than PSA has pilots.

If you want to shut us down, that's your choice. 70% of us told you last time what you can do with your concessions. Not that you care, I'm sure you're getting paid by the hour. So start up a new airline, offer street captain spots, and all the while Delta has out maneuvered you again.

Delta is busy taking flying back from regionals so they control the customer experience better. You have now taken us to what, 10 regionals?

I have a contract. Come back 2016

Delta's been far harder on their regionals than AA/US has been. Mind you I'm not condoning actions, just pointing out that Delta's the standard when it comes to execs b1tchslap'n regionals. Just talk to those at Comair, Mesaba, 9E and Mesa about Delta....... Richard is the worse CEO in history when it comes to dealing with his regionals. Parker's nothing when compared and at least Parker show’s favor for this in house feed. Richard brings them in and sells them off in pieces then forces them into BK and then brings them back in and either beats them into assimilating or crushes them into nonexistence.