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Originally Posted by Check Complete (Post 1758135)

Thanks for the solid,and from the heart advice, Pedro!

I am not Mgmt., I am a mainline run of the mill pilot ex-regional Brand-X'r and yes it is solid advice. Burning it down is narrow-minded and shortsighted..... not to mention it's flat out stupid and does absolutely nothing in the end. Just ask Comair pilots. Did their stand help your cause? No it didn't, it actually hurt it because it proves you cannot win the war, Mgmt. always has the last word. Where are those CR7s going? Can you stop it? No! Sadly like it or not, disagree or not, Mgmts in control.

Know how far to push it and when to stop so you can fight another day. And staying in the fight is critical to all.

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Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1758202)

Too late for that in my opinion. The previous MEC/LEC from some domiciles spread and contaminated the current envoy pilot group with the burn it down mentality

The sad thing is those same ones are all gone to Mainline (via flow) or other LCC's. So setting the "line"really all its doing is hurting envoy pilots in the end till there is nothing left.

Ah but that will show management.......:rolleyes:

You do not know what you're talking about RJ Pilot. It is better to be thought a fool. Then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

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Originally Posted by Tsuda (Post 1758223)

You do not know what you're talking about RJ Pilot. It is better to be thought a fool. Then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

Good Luck!

Thread title is misleading and should be edited.

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Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1758202)

You fallen into the same old errors. Nobody wants to "burn down" (a term used by management, their lackeys or the uninformed) Envoy. All that's asked is a fair deal from a corporation making billions due in part to the efforts of Envoy pilots. In fact, the only people who can "burn down" Envoy are Parker and Glass.

So far, nothing fair has been offered to Envoy pilots, so there's no way they could be "pushing" anything.

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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1758220)

Another misguided post by someone who claims he's left Envoy (reminding us in virtually every post - a sure sign of B.S.). You voted yes for everything so far, so it's no surprise anyway. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Tsuda (Post 1758223)

You do not know what you're talking about RJ Pilot. It is better to be thought a fool. Then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

Have a heart. He thinks he's flying GV's now and pulling in 250K/year. There's no way he could see any reality at Envoy any more. I guess that's the last place to flee to emotional safe haven - delusion and denial. :cool:

Ok Mr Chow point taken but my point is that after 300 there are no significant quantity 15 yr people left as the 824 will take them out sooner rather than later

Dang Johnson, you don't miss one!