ENVOY presented with details on new contract
12-10-2014, 05:17 AM
#433
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
It's not your flying. It never was. It's United flying. Those airplanes were being parked and your company turned down a proposal to fly them. That's not scabs. That's being too expensive. Calling TSA pilots scabs is absolutely moronic and if you believe they are, you should do your pilot group a favor and stop Union volunteering. You're making them all look at stupid as you sound. Just remember, your existence in an RJ is solely because you offered to fly cheaper than a legacy pilot. Pot meet kettle
12-10-2014, 05:38 AM
#434
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Base closing
With only 40 aircraft there is no protection in this TA for say every pilot to be JFK based or DFW. Something to think about. If you live in ORD then they close it as a base because republic is doing all the e175 flying there and Trans states is covering the remaing???? I'd want to know where they plan on basing these. I know it can change
But let's protect ourselves from more Base closings
But let's protect ourselves from more Base closings
12-10-2014, 07:53 AM
#438
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
You're forgetting a very important part of this equation: scope. Mainline carriers have scope language that prevents the airline from transferring their airplanes to other carriers. Regional carriers don't have this language; never have. In many cases this is due to having no leverage to get it, since the parent or code share airline owns the airplanes the regional flies.
During the last round of contract negotiations, Compass tried to secure language that tied us to our (at the time) 42 airplanes. This was a non-starter because Delta owns the airplanes and they don't want to be limited in their ability to make moves like AA is currently doing.
A likely response would be, "tell them we won't sign a deal without this scope language." Unfortunately, the mainline carrier will then pack up and take its airplanes elsewhere.
During the last round of contract negotiations, Compass tried to secure language that tied us to our (at the time) 42 airplanes. This was a non-starter because Delta owns the airplanes and they don't want to be limited in their ability to make moves like AA is currently doing.
A likely response would be, "tell them we won't sign a deal without this scope language." Unfortunately, the mainline carrier will then pack up and take its airplanes elsewhere.
My slam at TSA is at the new hire guys leaving one ALPA carrier to chase the same freaking job (soon same airplanes) at another. Call them scums if you care, whatever. How does that make you a good ALPA pilot? How does chasing promise of quick PIC help the position of fellow pilots you choose to abandon at your current airline? How is that not scabbing, if you are weakening fellow pilots to advance yourself? New list of names should be taken.
Last edited by CaptainNameless; 12-10-2014 at 08:09 AM.
12-10-2014, 08:01 AM
#439
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
That's my whole point. No FFD owns ANY work. That's the failure of ALPA!
My slam at TSA is at the new hire guys leaving one ALPA carrier to chase the same freaking job (same airplanes) at another. Call them scums if you care, whatever. How does that make you a good ALPA pilot? How does chasing promise of quick PIC help the position of fellow pilots you choose to abandon at your current airline? How is that not scabbing, if you are weakening fellow pilots to advance yourself? New list of names should be taken.
My slam at TSA is at the new hire guys leaving one ALPA carrier to chase the same freaking job (same airplanes) at another. Call them scums if you care, whatever. How does that make you a good ALPA pilot? How does chasing promise of quick PIC help the position of fellow pilots you choose to abandon at your current airline? How is that not scabbing, if you are weakening fellow pilots to advance yourself? New list of names should be taken.
12-10-2014, 08:06 AM
#440
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'm sure it's on the airplanes you own, not on the airplanes provided by the partner.
Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
No they don't. They have alter ego language. Way different.
Originally Posted by RAH CBA
The Company will not transfer aircraft, or operating authority to its Parent, a Subsidiary of the Parent, or to a Subsidiary of the Company for the purpose of evading the terms of this Agreement. The Company will also not establish a third party leasing device to evade the terms of this agreement.
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