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Old 12-09-2014 | 09:03 AM
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90 options to MAYBE come in well past 2017? hmm...
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Old 12-09-2014 | 09:12 AM
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Simple question: Where is this agreement better than the one rejected by over 70% of pilots who voted?
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Old 12-09-2014 | 09:31 AM
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It is not better. It is worse than the one voted down. Aag is betting on the fear factor.
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Old 12-09-2014 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
It is not better. It is worse than the one voted down. Aag is betting on the fear factor.
....and help from pilots who have ALWAYS been out for themselves.
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Old 12-09-2014 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
....and help from pilots who have ALWAYS been out for themselves.
Yes. Unfortunately there are weak and pilots with no morals.
No other carrier is able to staff aag flying. They are all stealing from peter to pay paul. Then aag announces aircraft transferring from envoy to tsa, pdt, psa and ejt that are 10 months out into the future so they can use that as enticement to attract new pilots. All these companies have attrition as envoy does they all have retention problems. AWAC requested to have some aircraft come off aag feed to do delta and asg said no because the other carriers can't meet the schedule and aag needs awac to fill the hole.

All smoke and mirrors. You just have to be able to see through the smoke and realize this pyramid scheme parker had started is crumbling around him.
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Old 12-09-2014 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
Yes. Unfortunately there are weak and pilots with no morals.
No other carrier is able to staff aag flying. They are all stealing from peter to pay paul. Then aag announces aircraft transferring from envoy to tsa, pdt, psa and ejt that are 10 months out into the future so they can use that as enticement to attract new pilots. All these companies have attrition as envoy does they all have retention problems. AWAC requested to have some aircraft come off aag feed to do delta and asg said no because the other carriers can't meet the schedule and aag needs awac to fill the hole.

All smoke and mirrors. You just have to be able to see through the smoke and realize this pyramid scheme parker had started is crumbling around him.
Well said!
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Old 12-09-2014 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
I fail to understand what point you are trying to make?

If Eagle votes yes, they are only guaranteed 40 airplanes correct?? So what is the incentive to vote yes? you already have 220some airplanes.
That would already put a large majority of pilots on the street.
PSA only got 30 airplanes guaranteed. They can lose their 200, and nobody cares.

It's better if we have some airplanes to work until we can get someplace else.
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Old 12-09-2014 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Agreed, but you and RJ will just end up cancelling each other out. You'll note he's doing his best to spread fear because he thinks he has a lot to lose.
I don't have anything to lose since don't work there, just like you.


Good Luck.
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Old 12-09-2014 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
PSA only got 30 airplanes guaranteed. They can lose their 200, and nobody cares.

It's better if we have some airplanes to work until we can get someplace else.
You do have aircraft at envoy. This ta guarantees nothing except 40 aircraft fleet if you can staff it. So vote yes with 200 aircraft for a maybe 40 aircraft.

Plz do not tell me about the transferring aircraft to others, this can happen with the 40 also. Plus the other carriers are using the public release of the deal with asg to hire but they still have attrition problems as envoy. Next summer all come apart for aag including dal and ucal.

No gains in voting yes just more to lose with a yes vote.

Vote NO
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Old 12-09-2014 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
You do have aircraft at envoy. This ta guarantees nothing except 40 aircraft fleet if you can staff it. So vote yes with 200 aircraft for a maybe 40 aircraft.

Plz do not tell me about the transferring aircraft to others, this can happen with the 40 also. Plus the other carriers are using the public release of the deal with asg to hire but they still have attrition problems as envoy. Next summer all come apart for aag including dal and ucal.

No gains in voting yes just more to lose with a yes vote.

Vote NO
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