No. I passed my number. I am in the preferred hire now group which will be three years before anyone in this group gets a chance to flow.

So I am still a NO vote

 

Yeah you don't have nothing to lose then.

Burn it.

Good Luck.

 

Yah.......sure.

Good Luck.

 

******, *****, *****, etc. are all lying crooks, a bunch of ******* ******* ******** also ***** of ****.

 

Pattern bargaining works by each group of ALPA pilots undercutting every other group of ALPA pilots in a never-ending race to the bottom. It is awesome!

 

So if the company wants pay caps and increased health care costs why are we not fighting for duty rigs, more efficient schedules and a real signing bonus? Hell, if endeavor can pull off 30k why am I supposed to settle for 7.5/12.5? Why can't we get a 4.0/day duty rig? It would stop the crap schedules when they are paying guys extra money when I have a 1 leg day worth 1.0 or less. There are other regionals that have duty rigs so don't tell me it's not possible.

All the planes are owned by AAG (thanks TT). That gives them the ability to transfer them anywhere. That goes for TSA, compass, PSA, Piedmont, express jet or whoever else they give airplanes to. This bs will continue for years because we don't own the planes. Word on the street is that the Compass deal is only 2 years. I don't know if that's true but if it is the planes will be moved or they will have to bid for the flying again, they may not see a pay cut but if eagle is cheaper then they will just transfer the planes back.

I think I'm good, another no vote from me. They have created another batch of 9+year FO's (I will be one of them)who will be stuck where they are at currently till upgrade, then only 2 steps as captain to hit 12 yr.

We said no to a much better deal earlier this year, no way I'm going to cave now.

 

If we don't have any leverage why does AAG keep coming back. They come back because pilots and mechanics are a valuable resource. If they lose even 30% to other careers by getting out of flying all together then there will be no one to fly their shiny airplanes. This vote is not about the next 12-24 months. AAG wants a deal now before they get in a real bad position in 2018 when legacy retirements really ramp up. If we are all supposed to flow to AA quick why are they so stuck on 12/4. Maybe they are hoping mainline caves and they can keep ordering 76 seaters over the current cap. Then 70% of domestic lift is e175s and then unless you start your career in your twenties you'll never see a good mainline schedule

The bonus is a joke. Look at what e-dvr is paying just for people to stay. Ca should have been above 30k No increase in flow for years so all the bad right away and none of the good for years. If you are in the 824 why would you even consider voting yes. You won't be here long enough to fly the e175 as the top 400 will bid it and even if you can, what do you get paid. Oh yeah E145 pay!!!! Because as the cr7 leave guess what happens to the # of CA in that top pay brackett. And they will leave faster that we get 175 especially with a 4-5 month head start.
Delta is increasing hiring to 115/month in 2015 so why get hired here at the bottom of 2200 pilots if only 20/month get to go. There is nothing in TA about a true up penalty for not keeping 50% ratio so why would they flow more than 20.

Big F..King NO vote. Just like the last 2, 3, or was it 4, NO crap I forget how many times they keep coming back

 

Exactly. AAG wouldn't keep coming back if they didn't need you. The fact is, they can't find enough pilots at the other regionals to replace you. Has anyone asked AAG why they are sending 15 aircraft to XJT which is the most expensive FFD regional out there? I would love to hear their explanation of that.

 

Sorry if this is already covered, but when does the pilot voting begin and end?

 

Honestly, It really doesn't matter how you vote. If you vote No and "fight the system" they will continue to shrink you into nothing. If you vote Yes and "give in" and get a crap contract you will not be able to staff whatever aircraft you have coming. We went through this whole thing at Endeavor. Why American hasn't learned from watching the sh*t show at Endeavor I don't understand. But that's the future and you're screwed either way. It's just how it is when you have a ton of lifers at the top of your regional and are stuck only flying for one airline. They got you by the balls.