I disagree. I think the pilots have management by the balls. They need us more than we need them. But Parker and Glass seem to have a lot of you believing that's not true.

 

Absolutely. eny pilots are winning the battle!

Good Luck.

 

Without anyone using their crystal balls and trying to predict the future could somebody please give me the pros and cons of either a yes vote or no vote. And like i said pleE don't try and predict the future. Just black and white pros and cons of yes vote or no vote pllease.

 

Ok, any flow requires crystal ball because no one knows the future, so remove flowfrom the equation.

Loss of profit sharing, the only employee group on AAG property to have it.
Pay freezes and 1 percent every three years raise versus currently 1.5 percent every year. Insurance goes up in TA while now it is not required to go up.

I do not have guarantee fleet plan current contract, but TA has fleet guarantee of 40 hard firm aircraft, if they can be staffed, if not they will be given to someone else as they are doing now with our current fleet.

That's all.

 

"...our negotiators, officers, and the entire ALPA leadership have assured us that they have achieved as much as possible in return for the re-fleeting of our airline."

So, as a matter of general discussion, in what other industries are the tools of the business used as such massive leverage against the employees who are the specially trained operators?

This is the main failure of ALPA in the last 30 years. Old days... strikes happened and scabs were their solution to keep the planes moving. No need for "real" scabs these days. But if you go to TSA or PSA to fly these planes, that's what you are. You're 21st century scabs. We at XJT have not taken any concessions, but we're still part of this new business architecture that participates in the withholding of aircraft from the pilots who should rightfully be flying them. In another year when XJT will not sign a deal, guess who will get "our" airplanes.

So, today it is essentially a lockout tactic, no strikes these days, but they managed to figure out how to keep the planes in the air using new employees, but no, no scabs doing it, right? Scabs are not really scabs anymore, because there are not really strikes are there? Because management figured out how to hire their "scabs" without needing to deal with those pesky strikes. Someone asked why AAG has given E145s to TSA and XJT. Answer is because they can't do a lockout on Envoy without giving airplanes away to lock them out.

I am a union volunteer for my fellow pilots. But, dear ALPA... you suck for not fighting this garbage. You suck for not trying. Please figure out how. We're losing in days of records profits everywhere except the bottom.

 

" Stand for the industry" " Hold the Line" thats all Compass, TSA, PSA, TSA Xjet
wants.

Good Luck.

 

TSA took no concessions to fly AAG acft, why is the mighty XJT above them?

 

It's not your flying. It never was. It's United flying. Those airplanes were being parked and your company turned down a proposal to fly them. That's not scabs. That's being too expensive. Calling TSA pilots scabs is absolutely moronic and if you believe they are, you should do your pilot group a favor and stop Union volunteering. You're making them all look at stupid as you sound. Just remember, your existence in an RJ is solely because you offered to fly cheaper than a legacy pilot. Pot meet kettle

 

You're forgetting a very important part of this equation: scope. Mainline carriers have scope language that prevents the airline from transferring their airplanes to other carriers. Regional carriers don't have this language; never have. In many cases this is due to having no leverage to get it, since the parent or code share airline owns the airplanes the regional flies.

During the last round of contract negotiations, Compass tried to secure language that tied us to our (at the time) 42 airplanes. This was a non-starter because Delta owns the airplanes and they don't want to be limited in their ability to make moves like AA is currently doing.

A likely response would be, "tell them we won't sign a deal without this scope language." Unfortunately, the mainline carrier will then pack up and take its airplanes elsewhere.

 

At any FFD conference of ALPA carriers the number one first thing agreed is that "nobody owns the flying." You're obviously the wrong person for a union position because you have the wrong perspective. I'm sure glad you think the only thing between XJT and a scab (TSA) is a few percent of 401k match or health insurance premiums even though TSA pay rates are better. Facepalm