RAH scope language covers leased aircraft as well. In short all owned or leased aircraft shall be operated by pilots on our seniority list.

I politely disagree, you should read the scope section of our contract. In addition to "alter-ego" language, it also has the following provision:

 

That quoted part doesn't protect against what is happening at the other carriers, it is nothing like scope protection. It basically says the company can't transfer planes, if the leased planes are moved off contract you're smoked.

But, no worries there because RAH is actually pretty good about keeping costs in line.

 

And all that can be yours for 20,000 a year in the right seat of a E-Jet along with crazy healthcare cost and a training contract. Sweet!! Where do we sign up.

 

Envoy is in a pickle. Vote Yes and shrink, vote no and still shrink but knowing you have a bit of a future with some 175's.

Bottom line is Parker in no way shape or form wants one of his WO'ed regionalsdoing 90% of it's flying. Probably wants all 3 about the same size or 2 regionals the same size depending on Envoy's vote. He isn't going to allow one regional carrier to be as big as Eagle was.
If Piedmont had voted "no" we would've just shrunk to nothing due to everyone leaving as they already were and other contract carriers would've took over the flying we were doing without even blinking. Pretty easy to put some RJ's from other Carriers to fill in for only 36 prop planes. Envoy being way bigger has been more of an issue with Parker.

Envoy can vote "Yes" and that's fine. Or they can try to stick it to Parker and the wallets of AAG by voting "No". Either way he's going to get what he wants it's just a matter of how much money he is going to have to spend to get it.

Besides a few of you that were bashing Piedmont over our TA I wish the rest of you luck in your choice. You've fought the fight do you continue or do you just throw your hands up and move on?

 

Yeah, that makes it almost like a real airline with real pilots and real careers. Can't have that.

 

If this TA passes, I could never in good conscience recommend anyone to work at Eagle. What a horrible company. Eagle would still be better than going to PSA, but it will become a horrible company. What a horrible industry and a horrible career.

 

Can we get also a Envoy Life video like PSA? With hot FOs and lots of FAs?

 

Well on the Crew News that's what Parker said. He doesn't want anyone to make a Career out of the WO's. He said it. He wants you to come in and do you time and move (Flow) on to mainline.

It might get to the point that the only way to get hired at American is by going through one of there WO'ed carriers once hiring slows down. I'm sure he's got a plan. Remember he didn't get to be the CEO of the largest airline by being dumb and not stepping on toes.

 

You know, just last month when everyone was arguing the whole 12/4 issue etc.. it was widely believed this is in preparation for merger of the wholly owned's. But now I'm not so sure. It seems to me merging all the carriers into a single airline would actually work better in favor of the pilots. If Envoy was the only American regional, I do not think they would be in this position, ie they would have much more leverage.

 

they all say that when it's contract time
drag out the script and parrot the lines who will ever know
then promise a career at the major they won't fulfill and then come back and blame the pilots for costs
seems to get the needed mileage every time