The one written by a compass pilot who has upgraded off the no votes and if envoy voted no would slingshot his career?

 

The compass pilot already at Delta you mean? Since January...

 

Seriously are psa Pilots under a rock? So they would have shut you down. While shutting down envoys 250 airplanes then, and shutting down Piedmont,maybe also ending the air Willy contract?

I mean do you not at all get it, the stop the whip saw came from us, and heck me as I was on the mec. Sam pool created it.

We all joined this together for better or worst and we would have taken care of whoever fell short. But no you guys trampled everyone and got everyone on property in the left seat now. Your a joke, take your sob story and ram it. You hosed everyone. We finally had the ability to stop the madness and you guys stopped it.

I have no doubt Scott Kirby sat in front of your mec and said look how many 900s your gonna get and eventually the envoy 700s and you will all go to aa in five years and be captains. Just stop this end the whipsaw bull, and you guys ran in droves to do it. But yep now because of that envoy pilots have a shot gun to our head and we are hypocrites if we vote yes to get the planes we were promised during bankruptcy and not lose our current operation to you Mesa Piedmont and tran states. Heck thorow in gojetz somehow and every spineless bottom feeder would be enjoying the buffet of our pieces. Its sick.

 

The fact that you STILL think you ever had any leverage is borderline comical. What does AAG have left to do to prove to you they were never bluffing with their Comair threats? Sure they might not be able to completely shutter Eagle, but PSA, or Piedmont never had the security of your size.

What did "we all join?" and most importantly.....What would you have done, no, what COULD you have done if PSA or PDT had voted no and been shrunk or shutdown? Answer this question.

 

We all took this gamble together. Air willy too and silver and commutair. Many others. A real union we would have made sure United delta spirit and JetBlue gave immediate distressed carrier status to anyone getting shut down. Not to mention we teamed up on this we could have got guys on property other places that are regionals and hopefully got seniority.

But we will never know, because you guys wouldn't sign the Ffd pact, then took your deal knowing it was for massive growth at the expense Of stopping the whipsaw and now are making sick posts about don't scratch the paint on our 700s before we drop off the keys.

We voted no first followed by expressjet and rah to,stop the whipsaw and end this, and you stopped it. Not just to save yourself but to grow, take our planes, and now everyone who voted yes could his left seat.


How could you ever compare this to envoys shotgun to the head situation.

 

If this new TA is the same or worse than the original, why vote it in?

The votes have all been done with the threat of being shutdown so why give in now when it's not as good as before? Because the threat is real this time where no one thought it was before?

Just curious as I am no longer at Eagle but still have many friends there.

 

A real union would have us all on one seniority list with the same contract. FIFY

 

First of all this is a career, not a blackjack table. "gambling" gets you nowhere. Our union's opinion was that it was a sure thing that we would be shrunk, or shutdown. No one at PSA liked it, but we were told it was needed.

I shouldn't even respond to this part but it's so off the wall something needs to be said.........Seniority at another carrier? Give me a break man. You know that would never happen due to so many factors I could write a graduate thesis on it.

XJT, RAH, AWAC, Silver, and Commutair have literally nothing in common with the kind of negotiations that happen at WO carriers, other than the fact that we all fly regional acft. Stop fooling yourself.

As far as "sick posts," look no further than yourselves. The name calling, hate spewing, degrading nonsense all starts with YOU. Sure there have been a couple off the wall posts from PSA guys, and also that one idiot on Facebook but generally speaking PSA pilots have been pretty sedate in comparison to The Eagle blowhards. Any time a PSA pilot tries to rationally discuss the situation using facts some idiot like crusader or JT8D come on here and blast us with classless garbage like calling us slave ship drivers. How's that for a "sick post."

I know how the "shotgun to the head" feels, as much as you all keep telling yourselves that "we are different(better)."

 

That's my guess. I think the burn it down crowd really was of the feeling the company couldn't staff the flying otherwise. Now with base closures and aircraft leaving, they are getting cold feet.

 

Pretty much as spot on as it gets.

Their union did them a dis-service by convincing them of anything otherwise.