Never said they weren't, just that our bargaining positions, and consequences were similar.

PDT and Eagle are playing the victim card now that they were forced(just as we were) to accept a sub par deal.

The vitriol spewed on this website is epic, but now it's someone else's fault that they are finally seeing the writing on the wall, when our union was smart enough to see it in the first place.

Maybe this thing won't pass and we can just go back to the status quo PSA hating.

 

Does it matter now? PSA didn't start the race to the bottom. That was already in motion by many other carriers. Look at all the people that flocked to Republic to fly that E-Jet for peanuts. I see them even more part of the problem then PSA could ever be. Many other carriers were bottom feeding before PSA.
Piedmont had no choice is probably safe to say. If we had voted "no" Mr. Parker didn't even have to threaten to shut us down. With our aging fleet of 25 year old Turbo Props and senior pilot group we would've just started parking plane because nobody would've come here to sit in a Prop with no upgrade in sight. We already had FO's leaving faster then we could train them. Our fate would've sealed itself with a NO vote.

Now Envoy faces the music again. Not once or twice but now three times. How many times did Parker say he was done with them?? He beat that poor pilot group very hard. But he needs them or he'd already shut them down totally and never spoke to them again. I had a Envoy Jumpseater and I felt bad when he discussed how bad it was. They have a choice to make. they can vote NO fall on the sword and tell AAG to go to hell. Then they can say they held the line and Eagle will fade into history and nobody will remember them in 5-10 years like all the other regionals that have shut down. Then AAG at more cost to them will just transfer more of there flying around and eventually merge them with one of the other WO'ed carriers. Or they can Vote yes and have the torture end and see some kind of light at the end of the tunnel.

Good Luck! As a pilot group I wish them the best. It's your vote. Those handful that bashed Piedmont and PSA we'll you know who you are. You guys will feel Karma. Rest of ya. Good Luck.

 

This is working out great for management. They spent a year using major scare tactics, shrinking your fleet, giving away 175s with threats of more being given away, all while offering the same junk they did a year ago. This is working perfectly as planned. Freak you out until you are too scared to vote no...then bam!! a new concessionary contract is signed. All while AAG is making record profits. What a freaking joke.

 

Says the compass guy. You really are clueless, aren't you?

 

AAG has been doing what they said they will do. No doubt about that.
So far, no better deal have been given. This is less than the previous one offered back in spring. If the gun-hos anti company NO vote pushers in NY went for it, that should tell you something.

Good Luck.

 

Our union MEC chair tells us that your MEC jumped at the first deal offered while simultaneously resisting any efforts to communicate with any other FFD ALPA MEC. ALPA had FFD meetings that were attended by republic and skywest labor leaders and we had better communication with them than with the PSA MEC. Please do not equate our fight with yours.

 

I do get it...but this is the ultimate pot calling kettle black situation and everyone refuses to acknowledge it

 

Pattern bargaining, how does it work?

 

Pass or not, PSA hatred will always be a given.

 

I really don't think PSA pilots care about the hatred.