16 years later, go back and sniff some more glue.

 

And we are going to staff those airplanes with former Envoy pilots. A lot of them have been showing up in our new hire classes. I heard a lot are showing up to PSA as well...
Those who have mortgages to pay with families at home are going to vote yes. Why would a 4 or 5 year FO at envoy give up 48k a year to come to Mesa at 24k a year with a slap to the face benefits package?
They will if they have to, but voting yes means a higher QOL to them.

 

You don't make any sense.

Good Luck.

 

because the damage at eagle/envoy has been done in the last 4-5 years with these losers voting yes in contract changes. so excuse me if I don't give a rats ***. they deserve the 24k since they are stupid and full of fear.

 

If anyone is applying send me a pm

 

It took a little more than the FOs for the concession Eagle took during bankruptcy. Especially when the probational pilots couldn't even vote. The MEC was pushing for the concession and it took 80% of the lemmings including senior captains to make that pass. If you're with 4 other eagle pilots and you voted no yourself, then the other 4 in the room with you voted yes.

 

Why is it worse? Better "enhanced flow", FOs are grandfathered into their current payscale until you can upgrade in your base. The per diem will go up gradually, not 10 yr frozen like the original. Flow for NH. We got one more year without health insurance increase.

Why is different? Because we don't have a minimum 170 fleet? Remember that they said they would park airplanes to keep people
Flowing anyway.

It's worse on a number of levels. First of all the March agreement guaranteed a minimum fleet of 170 aircraft. This TA does not. Also the "enhanced flow" in the March agreement was 360 a year minimum with a true up provision, the current agreement is for 220 with no true up. PBS was tied to the delivery of the first option in the March agreement, now it's tied to the delivery of the last order. This created a financial incentive to place the options here, the incentive no longer exists. This is a brief summary, but there is more.

 

I just responded to the remarks that were made. though you are correct about including the senior pilots, but the scope change was only done with half the pilots voting and 70% of them voted for the change. that is what started the ball rolling down hill and the tony mec regime.

 

Have you fully read the TA?

That is true.

TA says:
The provisions of Letter 12-05 (“The 824 Agreement”) shall remain in full force and effect and will be enhanced by the language below:

Upon delivery of the first EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D and assuming 824 Envoy pilots have not flowed through to AA at that time, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 30 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to Envoy pilots until a total of 824 Envoy pilots have flowed through to AA.


Letter 12-05, paragraph 1d contains the true up.

TA Says:
The provisions of Letter 13-04 (“Preferential Bidding System”) will be deemed suspended until delivery of the 41st EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D. The suspension of Letter 13-04 will end on the date that the 41st EMB-175 is delivered and within 30 days after such delivery the PBS Working Group will re-commence the process of negotiating and finalizing a PBS LOA pursuant to the requirements of Letter 13-04. It is the parties' intent to complete PBS implementation as outlined in Letter 13-04 no later than 120 days after delivery of the 41st EMB-175.

The 41st EMB-175 is the 1st option.

 

so basically envoy is guaranteed 41 aircrfat since aag wants PBS.