ENVOY presented with details on new contract
12-22-2014, 08:19 PM
#641
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Originally Posted by wareagle
That's why I said "in effect." The money owed that I was referring to is the amendment round credit. However, this group of pilots was almost undoubtedly going to reject the PBS system, and the penalty for that was a certain amount of money that ALPA would then owe the company. I'm saying, IN EFFECT, this money and the amendment round credit would have canceled out, and since I don't see any option in the TA for us to reject PBS after the 40th RJ, it looks to me like PBS is a sure eventuality once we sign, and therefore, in effect we're taking a payout but losing our ability to reject PBS. I could be wrong, that's just how I read it in the TA.
"It is the parties’ intent to complete PBS implementation as outlined in Letter 13-04 no later than 120 days after delivery of the 41st EMB-175."
Please see LOA 13-04
"Ratification of a PBS LOA, in accordance with ALPA administrative policies, will be required prior to EGL implementing any PBS for the purposes of constructing and awarding pilot monthly schedules."
Last edited by IDG99; 12-22-2014 at 08:24 PM. Reason: Add TA Reference
12-22-2014, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Likewise frosty tips.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
12-23-2014, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
envoy pilots need to get the E-175's first. If not, Compass will get them. Find out what are the junior bases at Compass.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
12-23-2014, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
envoy pilots need to get the E-175's first. If not, Compass will get them. Find out what are the junior bases at Compass.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
12-23-2014, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
So eaglefly frosts his tips, plays laser tag/paintball, and trolls every single Envoy thread in his free time?? Gentleman, lock up your ladies. Eaglefly sounds like a serious stud muffin.
12-23-2014, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by IDG99
TA reads in part
"It is the parties’ intent to complete PBS implementation as outlined in Letter 13-04 no later than 120 days after delivery of the 41st EMB-175."
Please see LOA 13-04
"Ratification of a PBS LOA, in accordance with ALPA administrative policies, will be required prior to EGL implementing any PBS for the purposes of constructing and awarding pilot monthly schedules."
"It is the parties’ intent to complete PBS implementation as outlined in Letter 13-04 no later than 120 days after delivery of the 41st EMB-175."
Please see LOA 13-04
"Ratification of a PBS LOA, in accordance with ALPA administrative policies, will be required prior to EGL implementing any PBS for the purposes of constructing and awarding pilot monthly schedules."
The well of new pilots has to run dry soon. Will this new contract attract new pilots to Envoy? I highly doubt it. Why go there to stagnate in the right seat when upgrade times at other regionals are much sooner? Contracts don't attract pilots. Upgrade times and type of equipment does. If the TA is ratified then the 175s will attract a few but I highly doubt that many new hires will get into the 175 out of class. The senior guys will snap them up leaving the tired 145s to the new guys. At some point Envoy will be an all 175 fleet then problem solved. But will it be in time? Will they be able to attract enough replacement pilots to keep the operation running? Time will tell.
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