Envoy/Eagle to get 40 E-175's w/90 options
12-23-2014 | 09:53 AM
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We owe every PSA guy an apology. Furthermore, our MEC should be ashamed and stop using this "in unity" bull because our UNION just threw future alpa pilots under the bus. At least the previous yes voters maintained their course of illogic, but the rest who voted no before and then turned on a deal that wasn't really any different except for a small bribe, are guilty of pure hypocrisy. ALPA is a sad joke that asks us to help deny NAI out of one face, and then out of the other face strong-arms and applauds their own union members into not only further concessions, but also the C scale under which future union pilots will have to dwell. So, enjoy bribes while they last, but as soon as the company starts violating this TA like the bankruptcy contract, please refrain from whining any further. I hope the rest of us go fly for NAI just to give you "in unity" types a taste of your own medicine. Please go choke on what little is left of your humility as men, aviators, and so-called union brothers. SHAME
12-23-2014 | 09:54 AM
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Good lord, look at what the future AA pilot group is going to look like consisting of mainly Envoy, PSA and PDT pilots all who took some questionable deals and all seem to generally dislike each other...
12-23-2014 | 09:55 AM
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12-23-2014 | 09:57 AM
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The difference is that some of us will be unemployed if we do anything wrong. Others, not.
12-23-2014 | 09:57 AM
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Envoy didn't vote in concessions to grab aircraft slated for another airline, that was PSA. Envoy voted in concessions for aircraft that was always slated for them, big difference. Sad day indeed because this is the straw that broke the camels back and the camel is the future career as a successful airline pilot. This industry is pathetic.
12-23-2014 | 09:57 AM
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The most ironic thing about all of this is (besides all of the Envoy chest thumpers) is that Delta created this whole 12/4 mess and is now having to give out $30k to keep their cheap wholly owned airline staffed while AA now has all three wholly owns on the 12/4 scale that will give them millions of savings compared to Delta and United very year. So Delta basically created an opportunity for AA to have a massive regional cost advantage over them.......interesting.
12-23-2014 | 10:00 AM
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The most ironic thing about all of this is (besides all of the Envoy chest thumpers) is that Delta created this whole 12/4 mess and is now having to give out $30k to keep their cheap wholly owned airline staffed while AA now has all three wholly owns on the 12/4 scale that will give them millions of savings compared to Delta and United very year. So Delta basically created an opportunity for AA to have a massive regional cost advantage over them.......interesting.
12-23-2014 | 10:03 AM
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I'm not just pointing a finger at PSA my statement applies to Envoy also.
12-23-2014 | 10:05 AM
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It seems like a no win situation. If it didn't pass Envoy's future was in jeopardy, now that it did pass the future is still going to be a tough one. If you can't get new pilots in the door (which is hard to do with a sub-par contract) then you don't flow pilots to AA and in the end you eventually shut down. Does the agreement have anything that would attract a new hire?
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