Originally Posted by CLT Guy (Post 1795920)

It could happen in the very near future. The number of pilots willing to work at the regionals is shrinking at a pretty fast rate. The majors need to do something to attract pilots to fly the airplanes that feed them. The options for incentives are fairly limited. They have tried bonuses, but they have not really been successful. One of the things that will attract people to fly for their regionals would be the ability to advance to mainline.

Preferential hiring costs the mainline company NOTHING!!! They can still pay garbage wages at the regionals and people will line up to fly there. Heck, they could even pay less and people would do it.

Think about it this way, AAG wants to make sure that their regionals are staffed. How can they do it? What incentives can they offer? Lets say that you want to fly at American. If the only way that you could get to American would be to fly for Envoy or PSA, you would apply at Envoy or PSA. Period. If you had an AA seniority number, you wouldn't care what they paid you for the first couple of years, the schedule/benefits, etc... Your goal would be to work 5 years at the regional and then bid on that wide body slot when it opened.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1795887)

That's what I said. Envoy situation specifically though is tenuous and it is in a perilous situation. If that weren't the case, they'd commit the options to you, but they didn't. Now, it seems they've got operatives in a full court press to ring a dinner bell for all pilots that will leave them hungry for many, many years.

Clearly, Envoy is desperate and if they don't get a strong stream of new hires, it will wither on the vine sooner rather then later. Besides, Envoy has several hundred senior pilots on 18-year captains scale raking in $120,000 a year (I used to be one of them). Parker would be a fool to shell that much out for pilots he doesn't have to compared to all the young pilots chasing upgrades for chump change.

With Envoy shrinking and the flow to AA likely to stop for the furloughees, I'd expect no reasonable upgrade opportunities for new-hires for a very long time, despite the fervent pitch of Envoys sales gal here.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1795935)

There will be no more flow-thru's at AA that award seniority numbers while still at the regional. Letter 3 was a disaster that won't be repeated, so no one is going from RJ to wide body unless it's a new-hire bid in AA indoc. APA can't tell AAG who to hire, but they do control their seniority list and AAG can't unilaterally institute a leapfrog methodology without APA and AA pilot approval and Parker's got s much chance of getting that as sprouting wings himself and flying around the metroplex like a drunken pelican.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1795977)

So the 90 options are not in the contract? They are in the contract and committed to us.

They haven't activated any options, neither the CRJs or the E175s. The 175s options that are now are for envoy. There have not being other or ther of 175s from AAG. So I expect AAG activate the 90 175 and the 40 CRJ9 options eventually as they get rid of CR2s and 145s.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1796020)

The options are just that.......options. That's what I said. They may or may not be exercised. All you have now are expectations and the promises of Doug Parker.

Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1796145)

Theres not much we can do about that. It was either capitulate or get closed.

We put a solid 1 year battle.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1796149)

Perhaps, but you are where you are and Envoy's future is a real crapshoot.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1796156)

Same crapshoot that any other regional.

Originally Posted by diva (Post 1795305)

We will soon get better reserve rules where you start late on your first day coming in and finish early on your last day. This will specially benefit anyone who commutes to/from work. There will also be hard long call lines where you can practically sit on call from home and you'll get 12+ hours to make it inn for work. That's pretty awesome you asking me.

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1796279)

We are working on a reserve LOA that better accommodates 117 rules. I have no idea what's in it, and would be surprised if this company allowed any of those luxuries on reserve.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1796280)

Well I'm pretty sure the company is getting screwed without reserves at 4am due to nobody confirming assignments or proffering.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1796334)

What's the crew cancellation rate been lately ?

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1796748)

What gates are they going to put them at? Our remaining biggest hubs can't even function as it is.

Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1796409)

High Xmas day was in the 100s.

Union says company will pull 140s from the boneyard if we can staff it. Maybe better sked next month.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1797328)

I just heard that the cumulative cancellation total was something like 750 flights in the last 2-3 weeks and most of that was in good weather. If that's accurate, it sounds like the wheels are about to fly off pretty fast there, long before ALPA can help the company out of this. Reading the RAH thread, it sounds like they have massive staffing issues there as well, so I assume this HAS to be industry wide.

I'd be surprised if any jets were wakened from the dead, if they cannot staff the present fleet with an ever dwindling pilot force. This doesn't bode well for upgrades either. A strong chance of AA's TA passing brings hordes of furloughees back to 3rd year pay and many not even on reserve spells slamming the brakes on the flow thru by Spring.

Should get quite interesting at Envoy by Summer.

Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1797340)

An AA pilot perusing through regional airline threads. Someone needs to get a hobby.

Originally Posted by DaCowboys (Post 1799644)

Any idea of size of new hire classes the past couple months. Thanks!

Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1799666)

The last class had 8 and 1 in Dec. Keep in mind the holidays just passed and we only passed the TA on the 23rd. So we'll see if that has any affect soon.

Originally Posted by deepwater (Post 1799709)

The demise of the "rolling bank" at DFW this Spring would lower ENVOY's frequencies to match attrition. Just backfill as needed with bandit '200's, '900's and 175's and voila, checkmate. Increased gate congestion, sour terminal vendor relationships, minimal connection times, irate businessmen, longer TSA lines, etc... doesn't seem to have entered Doug's calculus because they wouldn't affect his bottom line. American Airlines plans to ?rebank? its Dallas/Fort Worth Airport hub this spring | Dallas Morning News

Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1803307)

AirTran tops US airlines at on-time arrivals, Envoy is last

The complete implosion of envoy continues.

Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1803307)

AirTran tops US airlines at on-time arrivals, Envoy is last

The complete implosion of envoy continues.

Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1803504)

At least we're first at being last! And RJ pilot, you're not fooling anyone.

Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1803539)

LOL. Im not losing any sleep over it. Believe what you want.

Goodluck!

Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1803563)

But don't stop trying! I will say your PNHL auto correct iPhone deflection has been one of your best ones ever since you started the whole GV story.

Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL (Post 1789667)

I've said it before and I still believe it to be true; The first Major airline to lock down its regional pilots with a pure flow will be the winner. Looks like American is leading the pack!

Originally Posted by SuperChamp (Post 1804279)

DL and UA better up the ante!

Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1804285)

I don't think this flow will save Envoy. I also believe the premise that flows will be necessary to attract new hires in the near future, but Envoy is too far gone.

Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1804525)

Maybe the eagle/envoy as we know it, but once it shrinks down to an appropriate size (~100 airframes, 1300-1500 pilots), the flow will catch up and upgrade times will drop. Not soon enough for anyone on property or possibly even in basic flight training but it wont always be the 10 year upgrade it has been known for. Then the flow will be enough to attract people, especially with the pipeline program where if you are hired as a pipeline instructor, you are already an AA pilot with this new TA.

That time of offer is pretty good especially when majors continue hiring (again, 5-10 year timeline) but there are plenty of RJ captains with their 1000 TPIC time.

Again - none of this effects people currently on property as first we have to shrink to that size.

Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1803307)

AirTran tops US airlines at on-time arrivals, Envoy is last

The complete implosion of envoy continues.

Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1803307)

AirTran tops US airlines at on-time arrivals, Envoy is last

The complete implosion of envoy continues.