If Envoy got the full 60 orders, I think it would have been possible to do some LAX flying in the 175s. However, with compass getting the first 20 and already having a LAX base, that one is a no brainer. The company has said that MIA will not remain a crew base. Better get that idea out of your head ASAP - republic is here to stay.

Also, new hires actually have to apply and show up...

AAG will eventually have to acquire another regional to increase staffing. They've said they will themselves. Now rumor over at RAH is AAG is in talks to buy Shuttle America. I totally see this happening and it's a great business strategy. They've already got a MIA base now starting to fly the 175's down towards SJU area where Eagle use to have a base with similar routes. Does that mean Dan Garton (RAH bod) will be back? Is the on a special assignment like Winkley? Can they merge them (teamsters) with our seniority or will they be stapled on bottom? Any thoughts. ..

Who cares.. I would never work for any wholly owned company..! Follow that 20 year promise to a flow...

At the end the wholly owned companies will be the ones to survive. The flow is just a free ticket in your back pocket. Meanwhile you should have your apps out with all the Majors/LCC's. It's a win win either way.

Or they continue to contract it out to PSA and MESA who will attract new hires with short upgrade times. As they grow , their upgrade time remains at a low allowing more word of mouth spread of the short upgrade time, further increasing the number of people applying. As they draw from other carriers those shrink and their pilots bail for PSA.

Lather rinse and repeat. AAG wants flying in house but still can't get away from cheap contracts.

Pretty sure you mean TSA not psa. If not your comments are irrelevant.

Yeah, I work at RAH; not a current rumor here.

It's a really dumb rumor because the shuttle pilots are on the rah seniority list. Further rah has made it clear United is their top priority.

And as these upgrades go down watch for record numbers of ASAP, NASA reports and FAA Violations to go through the roof. Let's just hope once we get to the 2 year captain with the fresh FO we don't start losing planes and lives.:eek:

Go around is not an option.

Valid argument, but remember that they won't put you on the left seat unless you pass upgrade training...so I think you may see an increase in washouts and "failure to qualify" before anything else...

Don't know about the quality of pilots these days, but in the mid to late 90s, COEX had 6 month captain upgrades.

They pay the same.

QOL is on the larger fleet type.

I agree. You'll see failures increase but there's passing a checkride and then there experience. Experience come with time.

Yes and I know someone that was part of that in a 1900D. My buddy at United now still says that was the scariest part of his whole career. He said no way should he have been sitting in Cleveland in the snow after 6 months and being a Captain. hahahahah

So you think a new hire could still pick the CRJ?

Same thing my old roommate said. First winter in CLE was as a 1900 captain.

Definitely. We're still having new hires getting on the CRJ. A good chunk have been coming on it for the past few months. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions. Good Luck.

After this latest displacement with MIA closing, the most junior First Officer on the CRJ will be a May 2014 hire (ORD Based).

And he or she will be on the bottom for a looonnnggg time or until the CRJs go to PSA.

You're wrong! Had we voted NO your statement would be true. Now that the Envoy pilots voted YES with brand new E-175's rolling inn every month and flow through to AA we will be moving up at a pretty good rate. At this point Envoy has the industry leading flow through. Majors don't put as much weight on upgrades as much as they use to before. We've had plenty of Envoy First Officers going directly to United, Delta, even American etc. You CAN and SHOULD always have your apps out with all the majors including American even with our flow to AA. I'm sorry your airline have no new planes coming nor flow through. However wish you and your pilot group the best. Good luck to all new hires out there with their regional selection. Think smart. Upgrades are no longer needed to get with majors. Choose whoever has the best flow then have your apps out while you wait. Good luck guys/gals!

Envoy/Eagle to get 40 E-175's w/90 options
 

C'mon man...
This is disingenuous at best considering new people are trying to learn the ropes.
You are right, upgrades are no longer needed. You need to upgrade AND be an lca AND have an internal rec AND all other usual boxes checked for the average guy to have a good shot..


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Or you can just say screw it and wait for your flow number which is a sure thing. Regular white guys with no military unfortunately have it tougher.

I agree that internal Recs is a big factor however like I said being a captain is no longer necessary. You probably have a better shot as a First Officer and a few good internal recs rather than a Captain and no internal recs. So in the end upgrades are no longer needed or a necessity. Go for the regional with the best flow allowing you to fly good performing/advanced aircraft like the CRJ-7/9 or E-175.

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The SJS is strong in this one.

Is the Envoy contract available anywhere to take a look at?

We had a First Officer at Envoy with NO turbine PIC time who got hired at United about a year ago, then within less than a year he left United to go to AA. That perfectly shows that Upgrades and Turbine PIC time is no longer a necessity to get on with majors. Get your connections and recs and you'll be fine. If your plan is to go to AA I would say you have a better chance getting on with them being at Envoy with flow through and a closer work relationship/environment with AA.

He was also in the recruiting dept and extremely well connected. Not your average first officer who just got bogged down in the seniority list. He's also the only example everyone uses when they say "yeah man even FOs from envoy (only him)are getting hired at majors. You'll be fine!"

We have quite a few First Officers getting on with majors on a monthly basis and a ton going to LCC's like Spirit, Jetblue, Southwest, Allegiant and so on.

Southwest Airlines Pilot Requirements:


Certificates/Ratings: U.S. FAA Airline Transport Pilot Certificate. Unrestricted U.S. Type Rating on a B-737 not required for interview, but required for employment.* "B-737 CIRC.APCH.-VMC ONLY" limitation is accepted.
Age: Must be at least 23 years of age.
Flight Experience: 2,500 hours total or 1,500 hours Turbine total. Additionally, a minimum of 1,000 hours in Turbine aircraft as the Pilot in Command** is required. Southwest considers only Pilot time in fixed-wing aircraft. This specifically excludes simulator, WSO, RIO, FE, NAV, EWO, etc. "Other Time" will not be considered.
Currency: Experience should include actively flying two of the last five years.
FCC Radiotelephone Operator Permit.
Medical: Must possess a current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate. Must pass FAA mandated Drug Test.
Authorization to work in the United States: Must have established authorization to work in the United States.
Must possess a valid United States Driver's License and a valid passport or a Refugee Travel Document.
Education: graduation from accredited, four-year College preferred.
Letters of Recommendation: At least three letters from any individuals who can attest to the pilot's flying skills, by having observed him/her over a sustained period of time.

Would help if envoy sent out a monthly email like XJT detailing where all the people who left went. You have nothing to back up your claims, but i'd like to see where you get these facts.

With the new contract ,
Does anyone know what kind of reserve time, flow time we are looking at for new hires say in summer 2015? As well as possible bases and planes? (Not that I'm picky but would be nice to have an idea since I don't know how the new contract is going to affect everything)
Is there a lot of commuters at envoy with a crashpad or are you required to move to your base and can't bid on a different base?
Thanks in advance



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Divas desperation is quite amusing

1.5-2 years on reserve. Flow in 9-10 years.

Outside of SW, he's not wrong.

WRONG!!!!
3.25 years on reserve to date.

How long for 145 new hire to hold dfw? Thanks

I heard DFW was the junior base for the last class.

Centra, you're right. I take southwest back. Other than SW we have plenty of pilots going to all the other airlines.