Unless it's in the contract, there's EVERYTHING to stop them from unilaterally choosing to pay SOME pilots more than others.

The only reason management has gotten away with it in the recent past is because the bankruptcy court LET THEM get a way with it.

Now that there's no bankruptcy-forced contract in effect, management can't simply decide that they want to pay certain pilots more than others. Pilot pay is contractual, period!

They can't simply decide that they want to give some pilots more pay, even if that pay is in the form of a bonus.

Ask the IRS if they view "bonuses" to be different than any other regular form of income and see what they say.

Since the TA has been voted in can anyone post the new 175 rates for CA/FO and YoS

I dunno what crack you are smokin sport but the guy above got it right, and it is pretty simple: the union cannot do anything about someone not on the property yet.

You are so confused after the nightmare you put yourself through. You should be happy you still have a job after what YOU did last year, damn FNG.

You're completely full of garbage!!

You don't even know the facts. You aren't privy to the information, and all you do is assume.

News flash, you just ate a giant turd sandwich after capitulating. All for nought. Don't blame anyone but yourself. The deal you are getting now is way worse than any deal offered after PSA, or any other airline. You are one of the #1 burn it down goons.

I just hope the people who you brought down with your stupidity don't suffer too much with all the hiring going on.

Same as the CRJ700

Would you mind bullet pointing the gains for those of us not privy to the contract?

Way to go eny pilots......Way to go...... The whole industry is very dissapointed on you guys. Its a shame. Now Compass can't fly those Ejets.

Good Luck.

Envoy pilots look like the biggest a**holes right now. After all that crap you gave everyone. You guys were ready to see psa, pdt and other guys lose there jobs for your own selfish needs. Look at ya now!

They stabbed those new hires that aren't even in property yet. Shame on you!

Good Luck.

Gladly,
Pay raises in each year of the deal, increased vacation time, higher sick time accrual, increased per diem, better deadhead and min day pay, these are just a few, keep in mind we took gains in almost every area during a time when most airlines 9E and PSA were taking concessions...

Envoy: another loser pilot group, just like PSA. Enjoy those new "regional jets" and your pay freeze concessionary contract.
Remember that when you see one of us taxing out there...

Alpa > Press Room > Spirit Pilots on Strike

Signed: proud Spirit pilot and 2010 Strike ALPA Battle Star pin recipient.

Maybe my sarcasm meter is off, but it's actually quite the opposite of what you say. Some things we are grandfathered into like vacation, but it only gets worse for new hire pilots who are supposed to be our so-called union brother and sisters. One thing is for sure; we are part of another business, not a union by any definition except for dues.

They really give out "battle star" pins? Is that where my dues money is going?

Are you responding to my post, I was referring to the Compass Contract voted in last year, not the Envoy TA voted in today

Thanks. How about some specifics if you don't mind. I'm curious what kind of pay increases, etc. I'd appreciate it.

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All FO's on property top out at $42.07/hr and all CA's on property top out at $104.78 then once you flow to AA you start at $80/hr first year pay and $97.57 3rd year pay (they just got 4% pay increase across the board).

djrogs, disregard. I mistakenly thought you were at Envoy.

Thanks. So was this a pay increase for you folk from what you had before? Looking at your profile it appears that the top pay scale is the same. I'm trying to discover whether you had gains besides flow.

I'd say us and all others that walked the line deserve a small star, a recognition, on top of the regular ALPA pin. Ask the second question to the regional pilots. Spirit pilots did their part.

A320Flyer - is your avatar an Israeli AF squadron patch? Were you IDF before Spirit?

Are you saying there are different pay scales for flows coming to AA then the what we have in place?

one small factor is that the Feds LET you strike. They didn't let Pinnacle and a few others who would have jumped at the chance to strike.

I won't disagree with you because I have never been in your position, but I would think you had a bit more leverage when you walked. To hold your accomplishment over Eagle's head is a little wrong. Did the Spirit MEC extend anything to Eagle's? Again, I may not be as versed in history as you, but Eagle didn't have near as much leverage. I don't think AAG was too concerned with the vote outcome as your managers were to striking a deal.

I can tell you what to do with that magic Alpa pin.....

Alpa is the reason why eny pilots voted the way they did.

Good Luck.

Spirit pilots did their part because they were allowed to do their part. Plenty of other airlines would have done their part if they were allowed to.
When was the last time a regional airline was released to strike? Comair I believe and that was quite a while ago.

Sometimes, you have got to know when to stop digging the hole. Envoy pilots saw what was happening with everyone chasing the quick upgrade while stepping on their backs. Just take a stroll through the threads for Compass and PSA and you will get a feel for the so called regional unity. The Envoy pilots have nothing to be ashamed of. Envoy pilots did the right thing.

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Here's the term sheet. In it, you'll find the pay rates in the back.

This is not a time to celebrate for Envoy pilots. My head hangs low in shame--feel free to deny me your jumpseat. The worst of it was at the ENY HDQ today where everyone was celebrating with cake ( decorated with an E175) and already an American Eagle E175 airplane model. To me, it was such a punch in the face when other employees came to the pilots to congratulate us and give us hugs and "thank yous". I just felt like I had came from a funeral. Legacy Eagle is dead. The new Envoy is here.

If I'm reading this TA right, what's stoping AAG from making a separate order for more E-Jets and giving them to another regional carrier. The options only apply to the current agreement from 2013 between AAG and Embraer...I see many loopholes here

Nothing really... But Parker now has his cost down to where he knows a Contract Carrier can't do it cheaper. That's why Compass got a short term deal. You'll probably see most American Eagle flying done exclusively by the WO'ed carriers.

You are really dumb. You locked your pay for 3 years when everyone is making profits. For 40 airplanes? You do realize pilots are in demand? You had all the cards and blew it.

Ouch. Didn't realize you guys lose 1 week vacation. They take away your time off and freeze your pay? Crazy. Did you guys even look at what they offered you? Or did you just see bonus and shrink to just 40 planes instead of shrink to 0. Did you see in there every Thursday they will kick you in the nuts too? Just for 3 years though. That's not bad

Where's Mr. Lee moak in all this? I thought it was a shortage of pilot pay and qol at the ffd airlines.... wasn't he supposed to save the industry?

What happens to flow if they can't find new hires to maintain staffing? Do you get your AA number and pay protection on whatever you would hold at AA if they "need" to keep you at Envoy in violation of the flow program?

Just curious as this was rampant at COEX way back when the RJ expansion happened. There were guys held back like over a year in some cases getting tons of junior man pay at B757 FO rates to fly an RJ. Making like $18,000 a month in a few cases. But that was a flowthrough+furlough protection agreement. So, maybe apples and oranges.

I think they will have no problem finding guys now, because of the flow thru.

DAL and UAL will now have to institute Flow Thru, if they want to staff their regionals. It is the only way, other than massive pay increases to have enough pilots with the pilot shortage getting worse and worse going forward.

So it is what it is... what are the chances of you flowing to AA if you're a current envoy new hire?

I've said it before and I still believe it to be true; The first Major airline to lock down its regional pilots with a pure flow will be the winner. Looks like American is leading the pack!

Seriously?

Cake?

Nothing like celebrating the treating your employees like crap.

Yeah. This isn't the company I got hired at.

Envoy/Eagle to get 40 E-175's w/90 options
 

All this is just bathroom comedy for Doug Parker & Company as they sit on their thrones. Your big ALPA jet brothers at the main lines sold the "commuters" out years ago. You now expect unity within your own regional groups? You suckers would sell your own mother out for the hottest piece of ass in town. Unity?....get real. ALPA is just a "feel good" utility company you pay every month.