I think you need to get your facts straight.PSA is taking 30 CRJ900s with options for 40 if they can staff them.
47 CRJ700s WILL be transferred from
Envoy..It has nothing to do with your
contract..

Go back in history see how ALPA Allowed CEO Dave Seagal and see how ALG, PDT, and PSA got played. Happened again.

Wasn't talking about CRJs, was talking about the 40 175s we just received. Could careless about 47 CRJs we know they're long gone.

The CRJ-700's aren't leaving anywhere anytime soon. Envoy is keeping them at least til the E-175's starts rolling inn. For a new hire that means possibly getting 2 type ratings leaving his options open and making himself more attractable for future airlines.

Yes the majors are actively seeking people with RJ type ratings.....

DFW base should be available immedietly. If not you can transfer in pretty quick..probably within a few months of your class date.

No word on where the E-175s will go initially. DFW is the most likely base unless they decide to keep MIA open now that we ratified the contract. We should have a more clear picture of all those issues within the next month.

If you or ANYONE else is interested in Envoy shoot me a PM. I can guarantee none of you will get serious answers to anything out here on this pre-school of a forum. If you are really interested and have serious questions PM me and I'll be happy to help.

Same with me...

Any questions dont hesitate sending PMs.

Envoy/Eagle to get 40 E-175's w/90 options
 

Originally Posted by diva
The CRJ-700's aren't leaving anywhere anytime soon. Envoy is keeping them at least til the E-175's starts rolling inn. For a new hire that means possibly getting 2 type ratings leaving his options open and making himself more attractable for future airlines.

PSA will take delivery of first 2 CRJ700s
from Envoy June 2015 then it's 3 a month
until Sept 2016..14 will have transferred
when the first Ejet arrives at Envoy

That was part of the initial plan. It's now been pushed back a few months. Don't worry eventually psa will be single CRJ fleet and Envoy single E-175 fleet.

Source? Is this your guess or was this announced somewhere?

If anyone needs any info or has questions your welcome to pm me. I've been emailing guys the interview gouge, and passing info to hr to get someone immediately flagged for an interview. It's a good time to come here.

Good time to be where?

The sad part with all this is to see how this management team negotiates and no one will take notes. Every day I hear guys say Eagle was taking a beating for not voting in concessions. When the bankruptcy was announced, management announced fleet reduction before growth. That was long before these negotiations started and was during the 1113 process. Seems that the group and alpa some how forgot that little fact. Management just kept sending the same garbage waiting for people to bite on it. Pretty sad. Especially when it's the same tactic being used at mainline. A little bit of self education and research would shine a lot of light on the sequence of everything. Second sad part is that the alpa reps in charge now were around from the beginning of the mess. They knew what was scheduled to happen as well from the beginning. Never once did I hear any of this mentioned. All this management team does is send the same garbage back across the table and say take it or you're done. That lasted for a time frame of around a YEAR at Eagle. Mainline is just being threatened with arbitration instead of shutting down while the industry doesn't have one single financial negative facing it. Anyone think that'll occur again during our lifetimes yet everyone wants to run at concessions. The lack of self education and research of one's company and industry is the demise. Very very sad. I'm sure Parker and the boys will have a great Christmas with a nice little bonus coming. Not a single person who voted for concessions should be upset about that. Hopefully APA will not cave to this team for a sub par contract.

Its too soon for anyone to know anything....Its a guess

These places aren't having problems filling classes, and as long as that's the case, they'll be able to do this. Get in, get your time, and get the f out.

I've now lost all respect I've had for you

Actually it's information from dee temples, the senior vp of operations at envoy. He said that at a roadshow about a week or two ago. For full disclosure I believe he said it was because AAG is looking at excercising some of the 900 options for Psa first.

What kind of roadshow ?..I heard the
number of options were 10 but
no official news yet

This industry as a whole, look at the future retirement numbers, finally we are starting them, and finally things are actually moving. The regional sector is imploding majors are Lcc are hiring heavily and the majors all got or will get major gains.

That's cool brah

I'd rather see people come here than goto a true crum hole like Mesa. Take your emotions aside and realize this wasn't a huge give us and compare our rates and contract to gojet or Mesa. It is what it is.

Now how funny is that? Comparing Envoy now to GoJet's and Mesa! Winning!!

Rickt86,

How soon will Envoy start training for the 175? I assume that you will hire into the 145 until you get the initial cadre of current pilots trained and then new hires will go straight into the 175. If you get some new folks come to Envoy with a bad case of new SJS thinking they are going into the 175 aren't you worried that initially when the new hires arrive and they pick their base and equipment and they see their only choice is the 145 that they won't get up and walk out? Or do you still inform the new hires what bases and equipment is available prior to class? If they decide to take the class and bases/equipment offered and wait till they are displaced they will see new folks junior to them being hired off the street going straight to the 175. I don't know the answer to this dilemma (if it is) but just seems like something that needs to be considered and managed by your recruiting department. Just an observation.

Come on man! Hell at Mainline when we get there we aren't told our base or equipment. If you get up and leave because you got the 145 instead of the 175?? Hahahahah that's some sad childish stuff there. You knew all there bases and equipment coming in didn't you? Anyone who walks out I'd laugh and say don't let the door hit you in the a$$ as you walk out. That's a blessing for Envoy because that shows what a douche bag of an employee they just watched walk out the door and they'll be much better off without them.

Kids these days!! Damn!! You want someone to hold your hand while you pee?

Yes please

Are type ratings awarded out of training for a cfi coming in with 1500 hours and a atp. And if so how long would a new hire fly the 145 or the 700 before transitioning to the 175 as a new FO?

You people are asking questions they don't know the answer to.

They are NOT scabs!! Please be careful with that word. I don't agree with how things went for them, but they are not scabs.

1) You're a CFI, you should be able to answer your own question. 2) Does it really matter?

SJS. So yes, it does matter to him.

Type ratings are required. Not just SIC type ratings but PIC type ratings. If you don't have your ATP, the company will get that for you. New ATP rules.

You'd be seat locked until you upgrade.

That info will be available very soon.

The funny part about all this was all the Envoy people bashing the Piedmont people when we voted our TA in. We knew what we were against and we knew the reality of our situation. Envoy APC members ragged us daily up to the day of our vote. We voted it in and they jumped on us about Mainline and them denying us jumpseats and that we were the bottom feeders. Piedmont had nothing to hide we knew it was going to pass not matter what PSA did. Didn't see any of us ragging you guys on your vote did you?? Look at our posts and my posts. We had nothing to hide and after all the crap you talked you took one of the worst TA's out of all 3 WO's. Come on man you could've said we will vote on the first offer and first offer only. But you took the scraps. hahahahahaha sorry but I thinks it great how all the crap talkers have come to be silenced.
For the rest of Envoy good luck with your 175's and flow. Because we at Piedmont are very happy with our deal. And no we don't even want your 145's.

got that in writing some where

The second part has been well documented. The first part, I have not seen anywhere.

Oh my God people are worrying about the scraps already!!:rolleyes:

You guys need to relax... We'll "all" be flowing flow to AA in the "future".

The new Eagle TA is horrible. Eagle is being destroyed. Our MEC chairman said: "This is no time to celebrate." What a horrible contract they just shoved through.

So true Billy, I even had friends at envoy calling me we should vote no on our TA. But it's all good, no hate from me. I'm just happy to see our senior guys flow and all the upgrades happening now.

It could take several years/decades to flow-through. By that time if won't be worth being at the bottom of the list with crappy schedules and reserve for the majority of your career at the new American.