I wouldn't worry about what plane you are initially hired into. The pay is equally as bad for all planes at Eagle. If you want to fly for a company, show up to class, get your seniority date as early as possible, and then transfer to the equipment you want when given the opportunity. At Eagle, our contract only allows FOs to transition to a different jet during upgrade or during displacement (shuffling planes/pilots/bases). Eagle likes to displace and retrain all the time, so there's a good chance you'll end up getting type rated on multiple planes as an FO if you go to Eagle.

The trash talking Envoy people needed a good back hand slap across the face

Parker said, "I'm Rick James *****!"

This was just a question. I was at Eagle and I was the senior person in the class because I'm over 50. I'm not a kid! I had my choice of any airplane and I chose the ATR. Why? QOL and I knew I would rise in seniority faster. Within the first year I was 5 from the top. Then BR came and ruined everything.

When I got offered a class I was told of what my choices were before I started in the event I wanted to defer. I took the first class offered because seniority is everything. I'm not sure how it works since I've been gone for over 2 years. Prior to that I worked ATC for 25 years and retired in 2008.

I've been peeing for over 56 years. I can even do it in the dark so, no, I don't you to hold my hand or my pecker.

I'm sorry if I insulted you with my lack of experience. I defer to oh great Billyho. Sounds like you go it all figured out. Consider me schooled! I await with eager anticipation your next pearls of wisdom to a young buck like myself! Oh please, please enlighten me and set me straight with all your years of experience.

LOL. There should be a disclaimer to guys like you that post perfectly reasonable questions towards the board that reads something like:

"WARNING: Your questions on these forums may be met by bitterness, sarcasm, condescension and douchebaggery due to the current housing of the Top 1% of regional airline pilots who hate their life and their job and won't ever be happy, even though this career choice was theirs to begin with, being fully aware of the predicaments and consequences".

Anytime old Grasshopper! Sorry if I've offended your spirits! Carrier on and good luck in your future endeavours with our lovely profession you have chosen. (Followed with a bow)

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Cheers!

What are you talking about? Reserve/schedules at American are waaaay better than it ever was at EGL.

You totally missed my point by a long shot. You're better off trying to get hired at a Major without the flow and therefore get in the front of this hiring wave, then wait 10 years to use your flow-through rights. Where did I say that sitting reserve at Envoy is better than American?

If that was your point you should've said that because you would be correct.

As time goes by there will be less and less spots for new hires selected off street as Majors will secure flow through agreement through their regionals to fill both staffing needs at their respective regional and Mainline position. That will make the competition between the regional pilots with no flow through agreement even harder trying to get hired off the street at Mainline (AA, United, Delta). Eventually there will be 100% flow from Envoy to AA where you have to go through Envoy in order to get to AA. If you're a new hire and like to end your career at mainline I suggest you select an airline with flow through agreement. While at a regional with flow through you can always apply to the majors as off the street as you wait for your flow. Then if you get a interview prior to your flow go for it. If you get hired great, if not you still have a job and a flow through. It's a win win either way. Out of the 3 wholly owned Envoy, psa and piedmont there is only 2 of them with flow through to AA, Envoy and piedmont.

Industry leader in selling out fellow pilots?

Dang dude that was a good one.............

Best thing I've ever read on here! Perfect. Just perfect.

And not all ENY pilots threw around the word scab so cavalier. It was only a handful of hardcore people most of which have flowed to AA or are working for another regional now.

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Mason? Is that you?

I have never seen someone drink so much kool aid before

77% Voted yes. Durrr Wrong!!

Piedmont is almost half way through it's list on flowing. Don't think they made a mistake at all. Kept our retirements and flowing like a champion. So again Wrong!

If you weren't going to get shut down why did you vote "yes". Again Wrong!

This one speaks for itself!!!

This guy bashed Piedmont's Training Dept. Probably because he washed out. He Flip Flops on every damn issue and sounds like some wacko liberal when discussing the regional airlines. He said I wasn't even a Piedmont pilot and I was management. Hahahahahahah I'd say it's safe to safe he brings nothing creditable to the table at all. Come on man!! Man up! Just because you feel a pair on hands on your shoulder doesn't me you automatically bend over. He's drinking something, but it ain't Koolaid.

And remember this is from someone that told someone else. "If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. And Envoy will vote what's best for the Envoy Pilots." LOL

There's no way PDT is already at half of the list in less than 6 month with the new TA.

It's more like a third. The guys that are opting out are staying til 65 to collect their full pension. A fund. Etc etc Which we still have.

That's understandable, we have around 300 CAs not going anywhere. Most of them are 55 and up.

I would argue we are approaching 1/3. People did bypass...the whole thing is fun to watch. Things like flow and pref. hire work at a smaller outfit like PDT, where 36-48 flows in a year is 10% of us. If you add in retirement and attrition, 15-20% of the group moves in a year's time. That is visible and appreciable, and I hope people looking to make a choice can see that for what it means.

Man, we work in literally the most eff'd up sub sector of an industry in the world. Ever. Drives me nuts reading and even being a part of these boards but can't stop.

Merry Christmas.

Sorry over a quarter. Many senior guys have passed it. By summers end it will be sorry ur right.

Yes! %wise we are more senior the probably any regional. This flow has been fun to watch. Especially when they are taking more then advertised. Keep those 145's far away! Lol

I'm just glad to see the upgrades again. Much nicer place. Now fix the dumb scedules!!

Billyho, Envoy would have kept the line and voted NO had you all kept the line and voted NO as well. Unfortunately you did NOT and after a few NO votes from Envoy this last time would have had just hurted us even more. Therefore we had to vote yes in order to keep the company from feeding out the E-175's with you and other regionals. So for now we'll be getting new E-175's and flow to AA will continue. We have 20-30 flow to AA for the "824 pilots" then minimum 25 flow to AA. You currently only have 3 flows per month and you might be merged into us down the road. Wish you guys the best.

Oh so it's Piedmont's fault. hahahahahahahahahahah..... wait... hahahahaahahahahah wait.... blahahahahahahahahaha

Okay.. whew..

I'm not saying it's your fault. You did what you thought was best for you and so did we. Why are you so upset. No reason to be on this forum sharing your hate. You got planes so did we. Now let's move forward.

Are you kidding? You just said it was because of us you guys had to vote yes. Weren't you and about 4 others bashing for our yes vote? I could go back and find more quotes if we need.
I'm not upset about the Envoy's Vote at all. Had we been in your situation we'd have fought that fight also.
I'm just laughing that you guys crushed PSA and us and now look at you. Honestly Piedmont people don't care because we didn't feel half the wrath you guys gave PSA.

But I guess we are all bottom feeders so it's time to move on.

So let's look forward.

actually we are barely a 7th of the way thru the list, the most most junior guy of the three going this week is #53

Yes and after the next round it will be up to #66.

Seem out of almost every 10 about half are saying no. But as we get to about #90 I can see that number changing to about 8 out of 10 saying yes. And then at about #130 probably everyone taking it.

It will go past #100 before years end for sure then start slowing.

with the yes/no list as it is now, it'll get to #61 (top 3 are currently #s 22,54,61) baring any changes between now and when they pull the list

so that takes us to just under 1/5 with feb, but, unfortunately for the mid/low seniority guys, i think that list is going to start fleshing out more soon
once holidays are past and reports start filtering back from the people that have gone thru, more of the sub low 100's might starting switching to yes...

Hola Comrads
 

Hey isn't this an envoy forum? Why are you guys talking about how many people have gone to mainland from piedmont? who cares! just wait till they call you for a class and stop getting all wet:D Let's stay on point! Envoy pilots, now that parker has taken concession from all three wholly own and given LAA and LUS a 4% pay raise and brand new CRJ 900 for PSA and E175 for you guys (piedmont is not getting any airplanes) ARE LGA and MIAMI going to remain open as crew bases or are those still going away? :confused:

Miami is gone, there's not even rumors of it staying open. We've been told that LGA is safe for 2015, beyond that who knows. There's a lot of 140s and CRJ-700s flying out of LGA, the 140s are next to be parked and the 700s scheduled to go to PSA starting next summer, think that's why LGA's future is a big question mark.

As we bump up hiring new FO's, staffing permitting, I believe Miami will again eventually be a crew base and I remain optimistic for a west coast base to be reopened as well. Time will tell.

If a west coast base opens by the summer, this will be a no-brainer for me.

So...today...a new hire will be given the erj or the crj, but when the new e175s come online, will the people who were hired before be seatlocked?

Envoy/Eagle to get 40 E-175's w/90 options
 

Any new hires getting Dfw right out of the gate? Thanks!

From my understanding every equipment has 1yr seat lock unless you get displaced out of it (by airplane being parked/transferred etc). So if you get hired into the e-145 you will eventually be displaced out of it my guess is around a year. Same goes for the CRJ as the 175's starts rolling inn at a rate of 2+ a month. Which at that point you'll be getting the E-175. If I was you I would pick the CRJ-700 then the E-175. I believe you'll end up in the 175 faster by being on the CRJ vs the 145. Just my thought.