boiler07

Retention bonus.

Justrun

Going from envoy to PSA is a great way to get yourself on people's bad side. Also Endeavor currently offers a NY base. Hence the title.

PilotCrusader

Retention bonus means much more money, NYC base, but above all else, not working for Dougweiser and his BS airline segment.

It's obvious AAG is going to continue to play their umpteen tegionals against each other. Just because TSA, PSA, and Compass are the favorites now, doesn't mean they will be later. History has shown Doug wil pee on them too at some point. Why not go work for a major that at least has less regionals to whipsaw, and head for a regional who is just getting done being peed on?

My experience has been that you don't go where the action is hot because it is generally over before you get there. Go where it is about to be hot. A bit of a gamble yes but think about it: the musical chairs game chasing fast upgrades will be over in the next year. Where would you want to be then? My money would be on a wholly owned because that is where the majors will invest to bring aboard new hires, thus the most growth.

slowyourroll

Too funny. Company sends out a msg asking the pilot group to share information about our hiring efforts in NY and within minutes someone is puking up the company line. To answer the previous question, upgrade is a long time right now. I'm at 7+ years and on reserve...as an FO. I left Eagle for this place in 2008 for a quick upgrade. Didn't really work out.

ShyGuy

Notice how Envoy and Endeavor are paying retention/sign on bonuses. But not Compass, TSA, PSA.

Spoiler

and qol? not commuting halfway across the country?
what is that worth?

galaxy flyer

Facebiten,

Clearly, you haven't spent any time in tactical aviation. Or, analysed the risks as have the insurers.

GF

RyanP

Exactly.. Even Worse than at Eagle isn't it?

Anyone that leaves here and goes to Endeavor with more than a couple years invested is a complete moron.

You are just jumping to another shrinking craphole with no upgrade ever. Very similar to what has happened here. There is a reason for the bonuses over there. Because their shrinkage and no movement is absolutely awful, just like ours. Who cares about the retention when you're gonna start over at the BOTTOM of another stagnant seniority list all over again and be stuck as an FO on RSV.. FOREVER.. again. Having a base in NY clearly isn't worth anything for a regional. That isn't guaranteed. Those come and go at the regionals with a few months notice. Obviously, anyone working at Eagle should know that by now.

I agree Eagle is horrendous right now (thanks to PSA and scumbag-airways) but starting over at Endeavor is no better. At least we have better movement #'s of people leaving at the top.

All These regional pilot poaching vultures are disgusting.

I can't wait to see everyone of these regionals implode in a few years. Including mine. I also really can't wait to see all the rats jumping ship to the "other" real d-bag operations for quick upgrades have that completely blow up in their face.

I don't care if people want to get out. After nearly a decade at this dump, so do I.. But at least wait to go somewhere decent that's an upwards move.. I have seen so many lateral moves over the last decade backfire on people that I've lost count. Maybe 10% have actually worked out..

People can do whatever they want. I just think Eagle>Endeavor is a stupid move for anyone who's not a new hire still. Eagle>PSA people may as well be blacklisted for life..

PilotCrusader

Yeah heaven forbid FOs want to do as well as their counterparts and get out of the low pay doldrums. Those selfish FOs!!

For NY FOs(quoting Cujo) Why they should lose short notice OT ability, lose time commuting across the country, lose more money needing a crashpad.... when they can start at Endeavor as a new hire making more money than they do here, stay based close to home with the ability to run in and cherry pick OT to make ends meet, and not need a crashpad.
If you live in the northeast, which a large percentage of NY FOs do, then commuting is just stupid.
It's not about current upgrade time at Endeavor. It's about future. Endeavors shrink is pretty much over while envoy still has to slice in half, again. If I were one of them, I'd want to be at place done shrinking, making more money than they ever would as an FO here.....oh and not commuting halfway across he country on the very carriers that took your flying.

PilotCrusader

Upgrade at Eagle is almost 8 years and forecast to be 10-11.
I am amazed to see the management damae control on his thread.