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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1846874)

Yeah heaven forbid FOs want to do as well as their counterparts and get out of the low pay doldrums. Those selfish FOs!!

For NY FOs(quoting Cujo) Why they should lose short notice OT ability, lose time commuting across the country, lose more money needing a crashpad.... when they can start at Endeavor as a new hire making more money than they do here, stay based close to home with the ability to run in and cherry pick OT to make ends meet, and not need a crashpad.
If you live in the northeast, which a large percentage of NY FOs do, then commuting is just stupid.
It's not about current upgrade time at Endeavor. It's about future. Endeavors shrink is pretty much over while envoy still has to slice in half, again. If I were one of them, I'd want to be at place done shrinking, making more money than they ever would as an FO here.....oh and not commuting halfway across he country on the very carriers that took your flying.

Valid points. You left out that the company and union keep saying that ALL new hires will be going to the 200 which has no NYC base. The exception being our abortion of a LOA that undercuts current pilots and allows new hires to be assigned to the 900 ahead of current 200 pilots. Senority is everything, until the union decides it doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1846922)

I personally avoid Regionals overall when our company airline us. LCC's or mainline when possible.

I would take any regional over Southwest or Allegiant. Those are the worst airlines to be a passenger on, hands down.

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Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1846915)

Couple of dozen hours?? ELOHEL.

The people who will take the brunt are the passengers who will get hurt. A 76 seat jet in a 121 operation is not the place for a guy to "figure things out", especially next to a green Captain. Who, at some of these outfits, is a person otherwise unhireable elsewhere and has a junk training history.

Ofcourse!!! Tis why 4 out of 5 Airline captains that walk through our doors wanting to get checked out in the Seminole have forgotten all about the mixture and prop control, and when reminded about "identify, verify, feather" - the response is usually "wait, slow down".

It goes both ways.

For the record, an engine failure in a small piston twin is way more dangerous than in an rj. They are mostly a non-event. Even the 200 will perform fine except for on the hottest days and up at some of the higher airports. They are about as close to centerline thrust as you can get.

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Originally Posted by word302 (Post 1847004)

lol you can taxi out and take off on one engine on the 200.

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Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1847012)

There's not 76 victims in a Seminole. If you want to go kill yourself in a GA airplane knock yourself out. Passengers expect the pilots to actually be competent. Not just "figuring things out" as they go along.

If you still don't get the overall point that is being made here, then I got nothing else for ya...