Perhaps the Cuj himself can clarify that since he is part of the protected pilots.



Good Luck!

From Jetnet....As Envoy prepares to welcome 40 new Embraer 175 (E175) aircraft to our fleet, we’re looking for the best-trained professionals available to provide safe, reliable and courteous service to American’s customers. Earn an extra $1,000 for referring pilots to Envoy, where they’ll have an unmatched opportunity to flow-through to American and continue their aviation career. The process is simple: 1) fill out an online form for a qualified applicant who has not already begun the recruitment process; and 2) if that pilot gets hired, passes training and stays with the company six months, you get paid. American and US Airways employees are also encouraged to refer pilots to any of AAG’s wholly owned regional carriers and earn a bonus. Refer a pilot today!

In the end its about $400.00 after taxes and ALPA's cut.

Good Luck!

Okay...what does that have to do with the compass flying?


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Siwwy piwot. :rolleyes:

Yes, many not in the 824 pilot group which is a defined arbitral award as opposed to the "protected pilots" which are essentially at the whim of a Collective Bargaining Agreement think they are Golden.

They are not. Several scenarios can result in that provision being either diluted or eliminated. I don't see elimination, but I do see dilution as a result of consolidation to include other pilots not presently part of Envoy. The path to Utopia will almost certainly be far slower then many believe.

If you want to continue on the path of being a Regional FO forever. Go ahead. Their situation and upgrade time is worse than ours. There is a reason they pay that extra bonus money. It's because you will never upgrade and nobody in their right mind would go there without it.

Not that much of a pay difference for the first yr anyway. You'll go from going on 3rd yr pay here to $25/hr again plus the bonus, which who knows how long that will last.. You give up 2 years of seniority to go to the very bottom of another crappy unstable company with Lifer RSVs like we have?

Why would you do that to yourself? Go to someplace with actual career progression or just stay here, keep applying upwards, keep flow in back pocket.. things are moving, not that fast but still way better than Endeavor..

You're forgetting the part where the settlement includes the language "on property". If a merger of groups were to happen the language is good ammunition if they tried including others into that category.

Exactly. ^^^

Your primary error is assuming a transaction of that sort would be structured as a "merger". In fact, it could be represented as something else simply to get capitulation from a union leadership known for taking "the best of two bad choices". For any consolidation of wholly-owned AAG regional pilot groups, there can really be no special treatment for some vs. others and all new contractual provisions would have to apply to all. Thus, once an SLI occurred, all pilots would have a flow benefit based on their NEW seniority and not the fact they once had X expectations based on a former CBA, which almost certainly means dilution for present Envoy pilots in that situation.

Additionally, the flow itself would likely be altered to be more realistic metrics considering the almost certain further uncontrolled contraction of the regional airline segment due to forces airline management simply will be unable to change. That also means likely slowing of the process. That is why this whole "2.5/6" nonsense is really all just a Pollyanna position. Realistically, a new recruit at Envoy or any other AAG regional will have a MUCH longer wait then the present promises imply despite the trumpeting of a certain Envoy ALPA rep and others who should know better, but have deluded themselves for various reasons willingly and unwillingly........