Why are you not getting the Envoy CRJ's at the rate you were promised?

We aren't, but I could care less. Keep em. We didn't ask for them. They are probably going to make us park the 200s in the end anyway. I don't know how we, or any other regional airline is going to be able to staff in the next few years so I don't think any of it matters. And our management currently seems to be working against any meaningful increase in our SSP which is probably the only thing they could realistically use to keep us staffed while other airlines pay more. So we aren't having a problem now, but give it a year. Your airline is likely going to see increased flying and increased numbers of 175s showing up on property. Not to mention your vastly superior flow (which whether it works or not is a helluva tool for getting new hires on property).

It already is slowing and fading for those that walk in the door now. They just don't know it yet. The "quick upgrades" were for those already on the property and those that threw their hat in at the beginning of the rush. Maybe it'll go for a little longer, but not much.

You probably don't care, but that's not the case for your peers. They must be still thinking that 35 Envoy CR7s will get there next year.

AAG won't be saying anything publicly because they don't want the people stop going to PSA.

The tide is....


Good Luck!

I'm not saying they won't still transfer your 7's... But it might be at the cost of our 2's. Which benefits no one, except AAG. Not you, not us. I've been in the 121 world now for just shy of a year, and it has been eye opening. Management everywhere is going to have to change the way they treat and deal with pilot groups if they want to survive. And too many are still trying to use the old playbook to their own detriment. Like cutting off their nose to spite their face. We've got a lot more FOs bailing or thinking of bailing for greener pastures. There are a lot of options out there right now for qualified pilots. Too many other options to sit around and be frustrated and treated like crap.

I'd like to btch slap a PSA Pilot that is "frustrated". They have no freaking idea. Ohh no, reserve for 2 whole months? Upgrade could be a whole year?? OMG!! How horrible!

Sickening.

Sorry, but PSA made their own bed. You've been in the part 121 world shy of a year? So you know everything about it huh?

Eye opening? Well let me tell you something, things will not change in PSA until they really start hurting pilots. The "flow, interview or whatever" will not be more than 4, unless there's a trade out for something. Maybe the SSP, maybe shrinking a bit the airline.

AAG can't let you guys get everything for free. We told PSA to hold the line, they did not listened. Now they start being frustrated?

We've been stagnating for 4 years and 2 of them it was because of PSA. Don't get your hopes up, but things will not change, because they need you guys more than us. Why? Because is cheaper to upgrade a 1-2 yr PSA FO to fly a 900, than a 7yr FO at envoy to fly a e-140/145.

Things will not change in PSA until you guys start to be expensive. Now it's cheap, maybe in 3-6 years will change. Why do you think Envoy this year it's being 68% of the AA classes?

Simple math...

18 CA a month that makes over 100k that flows into AA = $1,800,000 in savings a year. Now multiply that by 11... = 19,800,000$ AVG they saved just flowing envoy pilots.

I love when people try to bash airlines and talk tough, yet they can't speak English to save their life.

Much more than 4 years..

9/11, flowbacks.. Then losing all the Saab's, then age 65 in 2008, then closing BOS, closing LAX to give to Skypest (now Compass), losing all the E135's. Then losing 1/3 of ORD to Republic, Then Losing the ATR's, then closing SJU, then losing more 140's.

Then Parker, WalmartAir and PSA came along and really F-d us over good, when we already had terms with AA and a bankruptcy agreement, they gave away 99 more aircraft, gave our 700's to the new version of scabs, sorry wrong word, people will freak out.. Excuse me, how about just scum, 145's are being given away to PDT, TSA and Xjet, our main operation DFW is now infiltrated by Mesa's embarrasing trash service, then they just gave away two more major domiciles, MIA, and NYC.

Other companies can't handle all the flying the morons gave away from us so here we are.. Down from 7 MAJOR bases and 3200 pilots to 2 bases and 2000 pilots. WAY overstaffed with 700 people on reserve. Lines worth 60 hours or zero time and part time lines. Then other carriers doing the feed we use to do are cancelling due to no staffing.. And we are having to try and cover it anyway.