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Iowa Farm Boy 08-29-2015 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1959806)
As per my previous post that I didn't know how many 824 had gone through -

379 out of 824.

That leaves 445 slots remaining.

So if AA hires 800 next year and Envoy lets 400 flow that places the end of the 824 in the late fall/early winter 2016.

Good luck with that. They're going to meter. Since we have to cover what everyone else can't, they need the staffing here.

AdiosMikeFox 08-29-2015 02:57 PM

Please see my previous post where I said pretty much that.

PilotJ3 08-29-2015 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Iowa Farm Boy (Post 1959821)
Good luck with that. They're going to meter. Since we have to cover what everyone else can't, they need the staffing here.

At the end of the year still has to be 50%. It doesn't matter if they meter or not.

Cujo665 08-29-2015 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1959823)
Please see my previous post where I said pretty much that.

They're actually very excited about being able to send as many as they can. That kind of flow will drive new hires here without them having to pull endeavor style bonus payouts...

Like it or not, their plan has been doing pretty much what they said. They got 28 new hires this month. They seem happy with that too.

There's lots to gripe about here; lots. But there's lots to gripe about at every regional. That is slowly changing.

Most commuters here no longer have to have crashpads, the DFW guys no longer have to buy themselves hotels for short term training events, you get a hotel in base for any night you were originally scheduled a hotel someplace. Hotels before/after uncommutable trips; 200% OT fairly regular, increased commuter policy events (and more enhancements under discussion).

We're working on reserve rules, potentially a satellite base in MIA that may help many local guys work closer to home and if structured correctly should hopefully lead to the restoration of a full domicile. There's lots going on and it's not all doom and gloom.

Bob Loblaw 08-29-2015 05:42 PM

Except for the preassigned 0400 RAPs necessitating a commute in the day before (and lost time at home), the always incorrect pay checks, the ****ty schedules for line holders, or the handing out of missed assignments like candy on Halloween (even for a fatigue call), just to name a few.

Iowa Farm Boy 08-30-2015 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1959827)
At the end of the year still has to be 50%. It doesn't matter if they meter or not.

I reread Nicolau's Award and the 824 agreement, and I just don't see that. the closest I see is:

Therefore AA will make its best efforts to offer and Eagle will make its best efforts to release additional Captains, up to 100% of each class until the 50% ratio is achieved, in aggregate, based on the total number ofnew hire positions in aggregate over time.
Please show me what I'm missing.

To me "will make it's best efforts" is permissive language whereas "will" or "shall" is absolute.

Cujo665 08-30-2015 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Iowa Farm Boy (Post 1960096)
I reread Nicolau's Award and the 824 agreement, and I just don't see that. the closest I see is:


Please show me what I'm missing.

To me "will make it's best efforts" is permissive language whereas "will" or "shall" is absolute.

Until the 50% IS achieved, in aggregate over time.
They have to make it up.

RJ Pilot 08-30-2015 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1959834)
They're actually very excited about being able to send as many as they can. That kind of flow will drive new hires here without them having to pull endeavor style bonus payouts...

Like it or not, their plan has been doing pretty much what they said. They got 28 new hires this month. They seem happy with that too.

There's lots to gripe about here; lots. But there's lots to gripe about at every regional. That is slowly changing.

Most commuters here no longer have to have crashpads, the DFW guys no longer have to buy themselves hotels for short term training events, you get a hotel in base for any night you were originally scheduled a hotel someplace. Hotels before/after uncommutable trips; 200% OT fairly regular, increased commuter policy events (and more enhancements under discussion).

We're working on reserve rules, potentially a satellite base in MIA that may help many local guys work closer to home and if structured correctly should hopefully lead to the restoration of a full domicile. There's lots going on and it's not all doom and gloom.


Sure, out of those 28 how many came from the pipeline mills? 25 maybe?

Good Luck!

TOGAANG 08-30-2015 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1960197)
Sure, out of those 28 how many came from the pipeline mills? 25 maybe?

Good Luck!

Only one true OTS was in that entire group of 28. That isn't bad for pilots in the regionals. I'm surprised they only trained 28 combined out of two classes. I was hoping for around 50. Hope they train more in the future.

FlameNSky 08-30-2015 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1957172)
Is it a good time to be an envoy pilot? I must reapply then and upgrade in 2.5yrs!

Please don't, we would rather not have you here again. Feel free to apply at PSA though, I think you'd fit in good there.


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