NO THANKS!!!!

Good Luck!
We Believe You!
My The Force Be With You!

I must have missed something. Are pipeline instructors not real pilots??

They are certainly more real than the airports you have been flying in to.

When someone breaks into your house, steals your stuff and then the police catches the thief, are you rejoicing over the return of your property or the thief's "misfortune"? You will be hard pressed to find an envoy pilot who rejoices over the demise of another pilot's career (PSA pilots excluded). There is a fine line between rejoicing over your own good fortune and gloating over the misfortune of others. Many learn this lesson on the playing field while playing youth sports. It's OK to be happy you won but before you celebrate, you meet your rival face to face, congratulate them on a game well played and honor them as a worthy competitor. The gratuitous gloating and poor "sportsmanship" displayed by so many PSA pilots over the last few years is not even worthy of comparison with the glimmers of joy demonstrated by envoy pilots after having been subjected to years of brutality for your benediction. Happy at the demise of RAH, NO, relieved that just maybe the 4 years of stagnation and beatings might come to an end, yes. Your comments, wakewash, can be likened to you standing outside a battered woman's shelter throwing rocks and insults at the poor woman leaving the facility. An action, I guess, I have come to expect from your "type".


Every new, junior pilot at any airline is going to be subjected to the least desirable schedules. Name me on regional carrier who would not require their junior pilots to be on an early call. Its part of the business. I used to think envoy had some pretty bad schedules until I started looking at the sequences of the other regionals. I was floored about how many uncommutable lines most regionals have. We could be better but we are far from the worst (and improving).

With how long reserve is at envoy, it isn't "new, junior" pilots that are the ones only subject to preassigned early RAPs. It's the 40% of all pilots that make up the reserve list who are default assigned 04:00 RAP after days off.

That is true, we have FOs that have been on reserve for 3 to 4 years. Mostly due to the management's scheme of parting out L-Eagle to all the other regional carriers. They made block hour models a year or two ago based on projections of lateral FO movements and capabilities of other regionals to staff large ASAs. Given the fact that those other carriers have not been able to fulfill their agreements and envoy pilots have not made the lateral moves in mass as Parker expected, they are shifting their strategies. envoy has only half the amount of flying for AA that it did a year ago with only a 20% reduction in pilots. I think that the return of that flying announced recently is only the beginning. Having so many pilots on reserve during a time in which many carriers are not able to fulfill their ASAs is actually a very good thing. Do you think Parker will continue to assign routes to a carrier that is cancelling flights left and right due to staffing or a carrier who have is under utilizing their current pilot group. Parker would like nothing more than to continue to shrink envoy while growing the other "whip saw partners" but current pilot market forces will not allow him to do so. We won't have 40% on reserve for much longer, we are simply in transition. With the E175 training bubble, rumored 400 flows next year and increase in block hours, we are simply in the mist of changing a plan that was instituted before the resent rapidly changing environment. In other words, an 18 month upgrade at a company today doesn't mean that a new hire today will upgrade in 18 months and it seems quite unlikely that the 4 year reserve life experienced during a period of shrinkage at envoy will be the experience of a new hire today, during a period of growth and movement.

That is the truth. This junior "pay your dues" argument doesn't fly anymore when the reserves dealing with this are 0-4 yr FO's and creeping up even longer each month.. and 8-12+yr CA's. At a freaking regional.

Putting in 10 years at a POS regional isn't enough time to get a single weekend day off and only get 6-7 days off a month with the pre assigned 0400 trash every week?

The difference with places like PSA and Compass is you are "junior" for 3-6 weeks for an FO and 9-14 months for a CA there. Then you aren't junior anymore. At Envoy, 10 years later and you are still VERY junior and on the absolute worst schedules we have with 7 days off a month and 0400 starts every week, you just assume not even bid because you get your last choice anyway. People say live in base. Well, after closing 5 MAJOR domiciles.. good luck with that. I have lived in 3 of them then kicked out every time and currently in the process of getting kicked out of another one. Not doing it again.

Hummm, did you just say that Pilots are the new currency, and that whomever has the pilots will get the flying.....

where oh where have I heard that before....

The Cuj is working in solving those issues. Free hotels for commuters will help your cause.

Good Luck!

Well they are pilots. Not doubt about that, but the way you guys are selling this is far from the truth. No 28 pilots out of nowhere flocked to envoy all of the sudden.

Good Luck!

I'll come out and say it: Anybody rejoicing over another airline's downfall or misfortune is a complete idiot. Sure, we've got trash talking trolls in this and every other board who are either showing their true colors or just throwing flame-bait out trying to start a war.

Everyone here has seen massive shifts and changes in the number of carriers, carrier size and where the flying is going. It shifts monthly, sometimes even daily.

Nobody I've flown with has said a bad word about RAH crews (though opinions were different about RAH's BOD and management), though they could have an alter ego that spouts garbage on bulletin boards.

In other words, shut up. You could be next. Envoy people should know better, we just went through the wringer. It's someone else's turn to take the punches, maybe it's our turn to have a little fortune. But don't forget what it's like and keep your stones in your pocket. It could turn around again in a heartbeat.