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Cujo665 08-31-2015 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1960387)
The Cuj is working in solving those issues. Free hotels for commuters will help your cause.

Good Luck!

It's certainly better than the carriers that don't provide them...

DOGIII 08-31-2015 06:09 AM

Envoy to get 100% flow to AA.
 

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1960756)
It's certainly better than the carriers that don't provide them...


Are you so far gone that you have started to believe that these management teams do anything out of the goodness of their hearts? There is a direct underlying reason that your company has resorted to implementing these commuter policy changes and it is nothing to be proud of. Instead of doing your management's bidding and recruiting, you should be denouncing them for the actions that brought about the base closures that necessitated these changes in the first place.

flyviper 08-31-2015 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by DOGIII (Post 1960777)
Are you so far gone that you have started to believe that these management teams do anything out of the goodness of their hearts? There is a direct underlying reason that your company has resorted to implementing these commuter policy changes and it is nothing to be proud of. Instead of doing your management's bidding and recruiting, you should be denouncing them for the actions that brought about the base closures that necessitated these changes in the first place.

While I agree that management is not doing all this from the goodness of their heart, how can you argue that this is not a benefits that most can enjoy? The fact is, most airlines is having staffing issue and most airlines will have to be creative to attract new hires. This is only the beginning. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.

snippercr 08-31-2015 06:32 AM

The ONLY person who mentioned first RAH aircraft going to Envoy was RJ Pilot, a person whose only mission to to troll and spread animosity under a sarcastic guise of "good luck." However, as I admitted to him - that was a flawless victory. He knew that by being the first to say "Envoy is salivating at RAH's jets" that would immediately create animosity between the two groups even if it wasn't true. Simply trying to counter his argument brings more attention with phrases like I started this paragraph with. That in turn just fuels further discussion and defense of said topic. As predicted, within just a few posts of his "Salivating" comment, we were already to the "our routes vs their routes vs mainline."

While it would be prudent to say no one at Envoy is "salivating" at the potential downfall of RAH, at this point the damage is done. While I admitted RJ Pilot has indeed won with his comment, I do know there is no way to reverse it. I'll concede he is a masterful troll and knows what he is doing. He is definitely no GV pilot (does anyone believe that?), and most likely not an Envoy pilot anymore (fired a few years ago) but really a masterful troll.

It's been fun buddy. gg.

Cujo665 08-31-2015 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by DOGIII (Post 1960777)
Are you so far gone that you have started to believe that these management teams do anything out of the goodness of their hearts? There is a direct underlying reason that your company has resorted to implementing these commuter policy changes and it is nothing to be proud of. Instead of doing your management's bidding and recruiting, you should be denouncing them for the actions that brought about the base closures that necessitated these changes in the first place.


Making everybody "feel good" by pointing out how stupid they may have been gets us what?

Jeffreyj 08-31-2015 07:15 AM

I haven't seen anybody at Envoy badmouthing RAH pilots. That being said, just over 3 years ago Envoy management promised us 175's if we voted yes. Well, we voted yes and a few weeks later RAH was awarded the 175's. I know there's a significant number of Envoy pilots who still see the RAH 175's and think Envoy should be flying them.

Cujo665 08-31-2015 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by Jeffreyj (Post 1960820)
I haven't seen anybody at Envoy badmouthing RAH pilots. That being said, just over 3 years ago Envoy management promised us 175's if we voted yes. Well, we voted yes and a few weeks later RAH was awarded the 175's. I know there's a significant number of Envoy pilots who still see the RAH 175's and think Envoy should be flying them.


Well, they shouldn't feel that way. You're timeline is a bit off. We were never in negotiation for those jets. AMR's first B-scale offer was the summer of 2013. The Ejets had already been awarded to RAH by Tom Horton during the bankrupcty.

Would they have had come here if Horton had not sent them to RAH during the BK? Probably yes; but you can't hold the RAH guys to blame for what our jackass management did during bankrucptcy.

Skyvector 08-31-2015 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by Jeffreyj (Post 1960820)
I haven't seen anybody at Envoy badmouthing RAH pilots. That being said, just over 3 years ago Envoy management promised us 175's if we voted yes. Well, we voted yes and a few weeks later RAH was awarded the 175's. I know there's a significant number of Envoy pilots who still see the RAH 175's and think Envoy should be flying them.

Further proof why getting away from AMR was actually a good thing. Up until recently I thought we would have been better off under AMR than AAG. But then I remember that stunt...which was done pre-merger, mind you. I also remember under AMR their single tracked mind about "spinning off" Eagle. It was all they could talk about.

AAG came in and squashed that idea completely and sent Mr. Spinoff himself packing: Dan Garton. Ironically, where did Garton land? Republic. Of all places.

Despite the growing pains we endured shortly after the merger, it should be obvious by now that we are much better off under AAG than we would have been under AMR.

And I hate, absolutely despise Republic management. Bryan Bedford in particular and I make no secret of how I feel. HOWEVER, that is in no way a reflection on how I feel about Republic pilots. I respect the pilots and hate that they have to work under such a sleezy crook as Bedford.

Skyvector 08-31-2015 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1960827)
Well, they shouldn't feel that way. You're timeline is a bit off. We were never in negotiation for those jets. AMR's first B-scale offer was the summer of 2013. The Ejets had already been awarded to RAH by Tom Horton during the bankrupcty.

Would they have had come here if Horton had not sent them to RAH during the BK? Probably yes; but you can't hold the RAH guys to blame for what our jackass management did during bankrucptcy.

We were promised those aircraft by AMR in 2012 if we signed the bankruptcy contract, remember? Tony and his administration did a HUGE disservice to this pilot group by not emphasizing just how imminent a merger with US Airways was. We should have known we were negotiating with the wrong people.

The October 2012 contract with AMR was the one that had "furlough protection" in lieu of an actual fleet plan. But it was more than suggested that we would be getting the E175s with that new contract to begin replacing our 145s. Then 3 months later AMR strikes a deal with Republic for those same aircraft. Slap in the face and knife in the back.

RJ Pilot 08-31-2015 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1960795)
The ONLY person who mentioned first RAH aircraft going to Envoy was RJ Pilot, a person whose only mission to to troll and spread animosity under a sarcastic guise of "good luck." However, as I admitted to him - that was a flawless victory. He knew that by being the first to say "Envoy is salivating at RAH's jets" that would immediately create animosity between the two groups even if it wasn't true. Simply trying to counter his argument brings more attention with phrases like I started this paragraph with. That in turn just fuels further discussion and defense of said topic. As predicted, within just a few posts of his "Salivating" comment, we were already to the "our routes vs their routes vs mainline."

While it would be prudent to say no one at Envoy is "salivating" at the potential downfall of RAH, at this point the damage is done. While I admitted RJ Pilot has indeed won with his comment, I do know there is no way to reverse it. I'll concede he is a masterful troll and knows what he is doing. He is definitely no GV pilot (does anyone believe that?), and most likely not an Envoy pilot anymore (fired a few years ago) but really a masterful troll.

It's been fun buddy. gg.


BS. You guys are waiting on the outcome of their TA since it will be "sweet" to get those 175's in MIA since it is "your" flying.

Ask the Cuj why the delay on the MIA satellite base is.

Good Luck!


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