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Lvlng4Spd 08-27-2015 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by flyviper (Post 1958531)
It goes up as we grow in size. Goes to 4 a month when we have (I think 480 pilots)

Yes...350 pilots is the baseline. At 475 PDT gets 4 flows a month, 600 pilots is 5 flows, etc...

pilotwithnoname 08-27-2015 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1958441)
Not a bad recruiting tool.

Yeah, It's a good recruiting tool. It's also great at keeping pay low in the industry.

Yabba dabba doo 08-27-2015 10:51 PM

Flow up now; flush back later...

PilotJ3 08-28-2015 01:33 AM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 1958576)
Yes...350 pilots is the baseline. At 475 PDT gets 4 flows a month, 600 pilots is 5 flows, etc...

Now the question is...if PDT goes up to 475 pilots and then when the flows goes up, it can't get enough people and goes down below that number, does it goes down back to 3?

Lvlng4Spd 08-28-2015 02:32 AM


Originally Posted by Yabba dabba doo (Post 1958655)
Flow up now; flush back later...

Thanks Richard!

Cujo665 08-28-2015 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1958499)
I think they are counting on the flow pulling people from other carriers and the fact that with the pilot shortage you might see a few Contract carriers go away.

wonder where I heard all of that before.....

If you're not at a wholly owned; you should be. The smart ones are the 28 who were in class at Envoy this month getting in ahead of the wave.



oh, and it's a good time to be an.....
:D

daOldMan 08-28-2015 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1958707)

oh, and it's a good time to be an.....
:D

To be a what, Cujo? To be a corporate sell-out?

jdflyer1999 08-28-2015 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1958496)
800 new hires would be a minimum of 400 from envoy alone. Almost 1/2 the current active FO's.

Things that make ya go hummmmm..,,

fixed it for ya.

If they maintained their current rate it could mean ~550 to flow. 68% of 800 is 544

PilotJ3 08-28-2015 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by jdflyer1999 (Post 1958726)
fixed it for ya.

If they maintained their current rate it could mean ~550 to flow. 68% of 800 is 544

2.5 or less to CA/ 6 or less to flow?

Im still not buying It. There are not enough NH out there to fill so many vacancies. I hope we get to see that, but AAG would have to produce a miracle...

Something like, AA numbers or seniority for Envoy pilots. We are too damaged from Bankrupcty and PSA backstabbing.

Skyvector 08-28-2015 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1958741)

There are not enough NH out there to fill so many vacancies.

One lesson I hoped all of you at Envoy would have learned after the March 2014 disaster was that there are always pilots. ALWAYS, one way or another.

More importantly, never underestimate a Regional pilot's propensity for making lateral moves. Republic is about to become the single biggest source of pilots for all the other Regionals in 2016. Never mind places like Commutair, Silver, and even a healthy dose from Expressjet/ASA.

There are thousands of pilots flying props on the backside of the clock in the part 135 world who make the leap over to the 121 side every day. Then on top of that you have Envoy's pipeline instructor program which has over 20 Universities and counting.

Point is, the "nobody can staff it" argument needs to die a painful death.


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