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RJ Pilot 09-16-2015 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1972297)
Don't you know? They need the overage to staff seats left after all those pilots flow! (at 20 a month or less)

I don't know. We're overstaffed and I constantly drop airplanes off to sit for 12+ hours at a non-maintenance RON. Waste of an airframe. We can sure use those hours to get higher line values instead of 11 days off and only 65 hours flight time.

According to the great Cuj, there will be earth shattering great news next week for ya'll.

Good Luck!

Aviatrx 09-16-2015 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1972419)
Yea, you can certainly call that a "wild ass prediction".

Either that or AA relax scope and Piedvoy gets the 190's from AA. You heard it hear first

Envoy Envious 09-16-2015 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by Aviatrx (Post 1972526)
Either that or AA relax scope and Piedvoy gets the 190's from AA. You heard it hear first

If anything, you could expect the 190s at Envoy. From a well placed source. PSA will indeed continue to fly more as a "regional" while Envoy will transition more to a "national."

snippercr 09-16-2015 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Aviatrx (Post 1972526)
Either that or AA relax scope and Piedvoy gets the 190's from AA. You heard it hear first

Ask the 2020 SCOPE SALES MAN what his thoughts on that are.

eaglefly 09-16-2015 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1972551)
Ask the 2020 SCOPE SALES MAN what his thoughts on that are.

Actually not that far fetched. Our CBA has provisions for "code sharing" that could result in something like that occurring with the right methodology. AA pilots would go bat****, but not likely to stop it if Parker really wants it. Of course, it would be akin to declaring war on AA pilots and AA would regress to hopeless acrimony again, but Parker may not care as his claim of "changing the culture" was just convenient B.S. to get his nose into the Centreport tentflap.

But once again be careful for what you wish for.

All such a scenario would mean is that AA would not only get no growth, but large segments of present domestic (all S80) and even some international would go to the new "Envoy" (or whatever the name) flying E-190's that could cover a lot of present AA flying (up to code share limits, of course). But, that would also mean the flow would come to a dead stop for years as Envoy (or whomever) ramped up and we shrink, sooooooo........

....yes, you got your shiny E-190's..........but you're still flying for regional wages, working conditions and will be for many years to come. Personally, I think that would be a disappointing scenario for most with AA aspirations as true income would remain elusive. Not only that, I could see a lot of animosity between that carriers pilots and AA pilots even though it wouldn't be the "new" regional (or national, if you like that title, which Envoy already is or at least was) pilots fault.

God, so many of you have lost your minds and are now willing to do anything to move yourselves ahead regardless of the damage to the industry or even yourselves in the long run. Simply pathetic. :cool:

snippercr 09-16-2015 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1972571)
Actually not that far fetched. Our CBA has provisions for "code sharing" that could result in something like that occurring with the right methodology. AA pilots would go bat****, but not likely to stop it if Parker really wants it. Of course, it would be akin to declaring war on AA pilots and AA would regress to hopeless acrimony again, but Parker may not care as his claim of "changing the culture" was just convenient B.S. to get his nose into the Centreport tentflap.

But once again be careful for what you wish for.

All such a scenario would mean is that AA would not only get no growth, but large segments of present domestic (all S80) and even some international would go to the new "Envoy" (or whatever the name) flying E-190's that could cover a lot of present AA flying (up to code share limits, of course). But, that would also mean the flow would come to a dead stop for years as Envoy (or whomever) ramped up and we shrink, sooooooo........

....yes, you got your shiny E-190's..........but you're still flying for regional wages, working conditions and will be for many years to come. Personally, I think that would be a disappointing scenario for most with AA aspirations as true income would remain elusive. Not only that, I could see a lot of animosity between that carriers pilots and AA pilots even though it wouldn't be the "new" regional (or national, if you like that title, which Envoy already is or at least was) pilots fault.

God, so many of you have lost your minds and are now willing to do anything to move yourselves ahead regardless of the damage to the industry or even yourselves in the long run. Simply pathetic. :cool:

It's funny how when people disagree with you, you immediately call them sales men and that no one must be allowed to disagree with them. You also claim we have all lost our mind yet when someone says the same to you, you call them sales men. See the loop?

Oh and here are a few smilies :cool::rolleyes:

RJ Pilot 09-16-2015 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1972575)
It's funny how when people disagree with you, you immediately call them sales men and that no one must be allowed to disagree with them. You also claim we have all lost our mind yet when someone says the same to you, you call them sales men. See the loop?

Oh and here are a few smilies :cool::rolleyes:

Your regional sales manager claims the possibility for envoy to get the 190's. There is your chance to upgrade once and for all! even at $60xhr...

Good Luck!

AdiosMikeFox 09-16-2015 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1972571)



God, so many of you have lost your minds


It's so unfortunate that everyone insist on quoting full rants rather than editing out all but the salient bits, I'm forced to see ignored member's posts.

I couldn't pass up this gem, though.

What's that old adage about thinking you're surrounded by idiots....

Ah, well. I don't think eaglefly is capable of that level of introspection and self awareness.

eaglefly 09-16-2015 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1972694)
It's so unfortunate that everyone insist on quoting full rants rather than editing out all but the salient bits, I'm forced to see ignored member's posts.

I couldn't pass up this gem, though.

What's that old adage about thinking you're surrounded by idiots....

Ah, well. I don't think eaglefly is capable of that level of introspection and self awareness.

Half the posts from Envoy pilots here are nothing more then personal attack and baseless at that. Then, when I slouch in the same direction, I'm even MORE the "bad boy".

....and you wonder my I respond in that way sometimes ?

90% of the flack I get comes from ONE source which comprises perhaps a dozen specific pilots who are active in that respect on multiple forums and social media sites.

If the shoe fits, you must wear it. ;)

billyho 09-16-2015 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1972725)
Half the posts from Envoy pilots here are nothing more then personal attack and baseless at that. Then, when I slouch in the same direction, I'm even MORE the "bad boy".

....and you wonder my I respond in that way sometimes ?

90% of the flack I get comes from ONE source which comprises perhaps a dozen specific pilots who are active in that respect on multiple forums and social media sites.

If the shoe fits, you must wear it. ;)


An educated man. Now I know I hate him.😜


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