Hahahahaha still 3 yrs the bottom guy in the 175 will be on RSV. Meanwhile the guys in the 145/CRJ will be moving up relatively in their equipment.

By then the guys in the 175 will be *****ing about it, same way the guys in the 145/CRJ are doing these days.

Just got a company message that they'll pick some more for the flow on the 22nd. Have any been put in an AA class this month yet? How many are left in the bank, 15?

I think 13 were in the first class this month at AA. 11-12 are left in the pool after that group left. They will likely fill the August class with the next selection covering September and beyond.

Makes sense. Thanks for the update on the pool. 40 days since the last selection, I suppose we won't be getting anything quicker until the "T" group is done and then the holidays hit and it slows again.

I think you missed my point. It doesn't matter if they want to or not. Our contract doesn't allow FOs to bid other equipment until they upgrade.

I think you missed his point. I think he was suggesting the company allow FOs to bid the 175.

The company has decided to delay running of the captain vacancy bid. Let the speculation begin!

....It's delayed by one day.

yes, its due to lack of management staffing.

When was the last time they delayed a running?

The one thing that doesn't lack is management staffing.

Latest from tha association on our August schedules.

MEC Communications Chairman

Commentary on the August Schedules
It’s no secret that the schedules system wide for August are atrocious. In my 9-year career spanning two airlines, eight domiciles, and four aircraft types, I have never seen the schedules actually get worse in the middle of the summer. To say this is unprecedented in the history of this airline is an understatement. Many pilots have been reaching out to the MEC and various volunteers with the same question that has been persistently echoed for the last 2 years.

“When will it get better?”

The truth is, we simply do not know. I will not lie to any one of you and say that next month will hopefully be an improvement. Normally, with the summer schedule coming to an end on August 21st, one would expect changes (for better or worse) as the slower fall schedule sets in, but with AAG requesting Envoy cover for other carriers and operate at full throttle continuously, I can only assume that the schedules will continue in present fashion into the foreseeable future.

Gotta hand it to this guy. At least he's being more honest than "3 years" boy.

If any prospective new hires want a truthful and unbiased opinion on envoy, for better or worse, feel free to PM me. I'm a reserve Captain and will tell you the good parts and bad parts about coming here. There's a few bitter ex-employees that have clogged up what could be a good source of info so I'd be more then happy to answer any questions in a PM format.

I would be highly skeptical of anyone offering to "help" you understand envoy. There are a gaggle of notorious salesmen here that will put the hard sell on you to get you through the door. They need new hires so they can move on from envoy.

11 new hires started yesterday. All of them got DFW E175. That's 22 new hires for the month.

Don't you dare to say we are getting people!!! That's not good for the "ex-eagle" pilots.

You are getting a few extra guys right now because you are putting them into the 175. How about the guys who walked out when they didn't get the 175?

Even with the 15 plus you are getting last month plus this month, you will still average hiring only 15 per month by year end. Your VP of ops plan calls for 35-40 new hires each and every month to get the 2.5/6 plan, which has been jettisoned from what I hear. Now he's calling it 3 years for upgrades. That still won't work with 15 per month.

100% Agree. The butt-hurt in here seems to grow every week. Mostly by people who do not work at Envoy anymore or who never have.

Went through the interview process today and was offered a class date. I have to say that everyone at Envoy was extremely friendly and helpful. I'm looking forward to whatever plane I can get on ORD. See you on the line soon.

Great attitude, welcome!

Welcome to Envoy and to the ORD base. ORD (in my opinion) has the best crews. Whatever plane you get, I think you'll be happy. Also the staff at the office is very helpful. The flying is great and O'hare is a great airport to learn to fly around in an airline environment. Living in base rocks too. Don't listen to the negativity, come with a great attitude and you will be fine. The attitude on the line is way different. There's grouchy people but there's also very optimistic people.

To address a couple points: The company is offering extra cash to take the CRJ or 145 now. The last class (before the one Monday) had no one walk out. I find it pretty ridiculous to offer $$ for that, but it's working (so far) so your assertion may have been true at one point but does not seem to be any more.

Your second point, that 2.5/6 has been jettisoned, if you have anything official on that, please tell us. The latest email from Ric did not include "2.5/6" but there has been at least one other email where it has been omitted, only for it to reappear in the next. Do I believe in that claim? Hell no, but what you're saying doesn't appear to be factual, unless there is something you know that the rest of the ENY pilots don't.

I guess my point is that things are obviously lousy at ENY, but spreading "I heard"s and things that that may have been true once but aren't any more sure make it seem like you have an axe to grind and are just lobbing grenades for the fun of it instead of contributing to any meaningful discussion. It's a free message board though, do what you feel.

MD-11, welcome aboard. Enjoy training and be sure to absorb everything. Lots of good guys in the school house.

Guys? We had one tool walk out after not getting the 175 months ago. Your "facts" are once again incorrect and just your attempt to make yourself feel better about going to Allegiant.

ag386 gave up flow and went to Allegiant. He desperately wants the flow to fail because it makes him feel like his decision to leave was not the horrible mistake he knows it was. Only someone who regrets a decision constantly looks back instead of forward.
Good luck getting hired at American off the street bud. I'm sure your application is going to wow them when you are one of 17500 apps they have on file.

Do not feed the Troll...

I believe most guys that read this thread realize what these people are trying to do.

It's envoy perfect? No! Clearly he has a agenda going on. You can see him/her spreading the same tone in the PDT forums about how he think the flow will stop.

If they (AAG) decide to stop the flow, this company/PDT/PSA will explode. So they either up their game or will get screwed. We can see they haven't done anything this summer because of the Letter T pilots at AA. But once the flows (every WO flow) keep getting in the door, somethings NEED TO CHANGE. It's just a matter of time, and what better time than fall, when there's a reduction of flying? If they don't do anything by the end of the year, their feed will collapse either thru flow or attrition to other places.

As simple as that, so ignore AG#whatever and don't feed him. Let him have his fun at Allegiant...he should be happy about the possible payraises and not what happens at envoy.

Ask ole ag386 about how he got fired from Envoy. It's a fun story to say the least.

Hey ag386...want to chime in? Tell everyone about your termination hearing. Tell everyone how you bawled your eyes out in the Chief Pilot's office.

Better yet, tell everyone how you spent the next 2 weeks calling everyone and anyone in ALPA who would take your call, begging them to get your job at Envoy back.

I've seen sour grapes before, but you take the gold prize. You have no one to blame for your termination but yourself. Move on, kid.

In the spirit of moving on, 11 started class today. Congrats to all. That's 22 for the month.

Wow. I thought it was his decision to leave this whole time. Everything makes so much more sense now!

:rolleyes:

I suspect some would have stomped out had they not gotten the E-175.

There was a guy in my interview group today who quit Republic and said that is he didn't get the 175 he'd walk because "I ain't doing another type rating bro." Total douchebag. Also declared he'd quit if he had to sit airport reserve. He looked at me like I was crazy when I told him I don't care what plane I get, I just want ORD. Guess he doesn't understand that time is time is time.

You know he won't. So why not let us all enjoy the info you know.

Will be holding a line in september and only been with the company 3 months!

To all the future new hires, make sure you select the E175 if possible!

New hires will be able to hold a line right from the bat on the E175.

I would stay away from the 145 and the CRJ since those are dying i.e going away. Ill be holding weekends off in September on the E175!

You do know there is NOT ONE line on the 175 in dfw with every weekend off, right? At least ORD CRJ had 2 lines with all weekends off.

Don't feed obvious troll. Obvious troll is obvious.

Line holder new hire e175, then displaced to the shrinking e145 or crj on the displacement. Remember we are a 40 aircraft e175 company officially. Hard to fit 1500 pilots into 40 aircraft.

At least new hires are upgrading in 2.5 and flowing in 6. Gotta look at the bright side.

Anyone who wants to PM people information should be wary of the information they provide. They just don't want their "information" to be refuted because it may not actually be the truth.

Plus, I like how people are throwing hire numbers without a source. 11, 10, 6..... See, I can do that too. There are 53 new hires yesterday. We are on a big hiring streak.