Why not, I've been consistant in my position.

If you do some research, someone else asked me essentially the same question perhaps 6 months ago and the answer was the same. I've never implied pilot X or Y shouldn't go to Envoy. For some, it might be the best choice. All I've said is that those attempting to make iron-clad promises in an effort to lure in the simple-minded or myopic are doing a disservice to others, usually for personal gain. Unfortunately, we have a few hystericals here with comprehension issues and selective biases making me to be an Envoy boogyman when that isn't the case.

If a pilot wants to come to Envoy, do it for the RIGHT reasons, not pie-in-the-sky projections which may or may not materialize, at least unless you accept the risk of future disappointment for placing too much weight on promises, especially by ths management . If one wants to get the vibe on life at Envoy and their managements interest in making it a decent place to work while you shoot craps for 6 years or more, I also suggect dropping $5 and see what is being said at Eaglelounge. From my POV, it ain't pretty and that isn't about upgrades or flow, it's about QWL. Due diligence and Caveat Emptor are the best guidance tools IMO.

Even Timothy McVeigh thought he was performing a public service. I think I'll file you right between Timmy and the Unibomber.


Thank you for your service Eaglefly. So far your only insight has been, "yeah but it might not happen" to pretty much everything. I'll think I am going to start looking up good CROW recipes. I can't for your to eat it. Of course, I fully expect you to then say, "Well, I only said 'might'"

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You are currently comparing a forum participant that is expressing an opposing opinion on industry affairs, to known and convicted murderers. I don't care what side you're on or whether or not you're just joking around... this is embarrassing.

Don't push the 2.5-6 until it happens. It's one thing to make predictions, but banking on that expectation?

Don't count your chickens.

No, the only thing I can say is that I think baeed on posts like these, you come across as a certified fruitcake. File me anywhere you please as that is meaningless to me. Any crow cooked up by you will remain uneaten........at least by me. ;)

That's likely just a by-product of uncontrolled and mis-directed emotion. AFAIC, it reflects more about him then it does about me, which is ironic. Clearly, unlike virtually any other member here, this character has a personal obsession with me and I cannot help but get the impression as it's almost as if he sees me as a symbol of all that has gone wrong with his life, whatever that may be.

How long is the reserve time for ORD right now?

Do the hotel rooms apply to commuters on reserve? And if so are they only for the commute nights (night before first day and for late finish on the last day).
Lastly where might i find info about crashpads in DFW or ORD? It looks like a potential newhire is looking at a long (but decreasing) stretch of reserve.

That's a tough question & subject to a lot of variables. My best guess would be at least a year, if not more. The variables are: what aircraft you get, what city you get, how much flying we gain/loose in the future, how many pilots above you leave, and how many new pilots come in beneath you. I would say that the main factor (and the argument on the previous pages) is, how well is the flow to American going to work in the future? One group says the flood gates are about to open, and the other group says it's a fools dream to believe in the 2.5/6 year claim. I personally think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I've been on the CRJ for 2 years and I'm still on reserve & only half way up the list. However, I live in base, so reserve is actually better than a line. I usually get an extra 2 or more days off per month from sitting at home, I pick up extra flying on my days off, I can't remember the last time I was on a 4 day trip, and I spent 2 nights in a hotel last month. Admittedly life on the bottom of the reserve list is MUCH different from those on the top. Life on the bottom is terrible, life in the middle is OK, and life at the top is great.

Hotels are for anyone who needs it at anytime. So don't even worry about a crash pad. You won't need one at Envoy.