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#6101
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From: Violin on the Envoy-tanic
https://www.gofundme.com/solidarity-for-captain-neal-spanier
On August 9th, 2016, Captain Neal Spanier was wrongfully terminated from Envoy Air. After over a decade of employment at Envoy, and after faithfully serving several years as elected Chairman of ALPA LEC Council 83 (DFW), Captain Spanier was individually targeted by the company for his constant and tireless defense of Envoy pilots and our CBA. In what can only be described as a violation of privacy, the company hired a private investigator to follow and take photos of Neal outside of work, during a period he was ill and unable to perform his duties in accordance with common sense and FAA medical regulations for pilots. The company's justification of firing Captain Spanier for running errands with a sinus infection simply doesn't hold water. His termination is no less then a violation of our CBA and two federal laws; the Railway Labor Act (RLA) which prohibits employers from taking action against employees for union activity, and the Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) which guarantees medical leave for employees without threat of retaliation from their employer, which Neal was exercising.
Neal has filed a grievance for his wrongful termination. In a brash move, the company said they were "too busy" to attend an arbitration at the earliest availability of the arbitrator, and instead chose an August date for the hearing, a full year after Neal was fired. Not only is this move clearly designed to hurt Neal and his family personally, but it is also designed to delay his flow to American Airlines, which is projected to be before August of 2017. In addition, the company continues to fight against Neal receiving unemployment benefits under Texas law, and has even appealed their recent loss.
Despite the toll the loss of income has had on Neal and his family, he continues to volunteer as LEC 83 Chairman. He continues to fight for us, and it's time we fought back for him. We as a pilot group can not allow our company to choose our union representation based on fear and intimidation. We can not allow our company to think they can bully a pilot into compliance through his paycheck. For less than a cup of Starbucks every month, the pilots of Envoy have the ability to replace Captain Spanier's paycheck every month to enable him to cover his everyday expenses. This would send a message to our management loudly and clearly that their tactics won't work. The campaign amount is Captain Spanier's pay rate at the 75 hour guarantee every month. Every time we raise this amount, it will be another month Neal can devote his time to fighting for us.
All money raised in this campaign will go directly to CA Neal Spanier for the everyday living expenses of him and his family, minus the fees GoFundMe normally subtracts. This campaign is in no way affiliated or endorsed by ALPA or the Envoy MEC, and was started by an Envoy pilot.
Neal has filed a grievance for his wrongful termination. In a brash move, the company said they were "too busy" to attend an arbitration at the earliest availability of the arbitrator, and instead chose an August date for the hearing, a full year after Neal was fired. Not only is this move clearly designed to hurt Neal and his family personally, but it is also designed to delay his flow to American Airlines, which is projected to be before August of 2017. In addition, the company continues to fight against Neal receiving unemployment benefits under Texas law, and has even appealed their recent loss.
Despite the toll the loss of income has had on Neal and his family, he continues to volunteer as LEC 83 Chairman. He continues to fight for us, and it's time we fought back for him. We as a pilot group can not allow our company to choose our union representation based on fear and intimidation. We can not allow our company to think they can bully a pilot into compliance through his paycheck. For less than a cup of Starbucks every month, the pilots of Envoy have the ability to replace Captain Spanier's paycheck every month to enable him to cover his everyday expenses. This would send a message to our management loudly and clearly that their tactics won't work. The campaign amount is Captain Spanier's pay rate at the 75 hour guarantee every month. Every time we raise this amount, it will be another month Neal can devote his time to fighting for us.
All money raised in this campaign will go directly to CA Neal Spanier for the everyday living expenses of him and his family, minus the fees GoFundMe normally subtracts. This campaign is in no way affiliated or endorsed by ALPA or the Envoy MEC, and was started by an Envoy pilot.
#6102
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Sounds nearly identical to the firing of my friend just a few days prior to that. He was slated to flow only a few weeks later. The company also refused a request for earlier arbitration dates which has resulted in him being forced to wait until mid summer of next year. He probably will lose about 1000 seniority numbers at AA due to that.
#6103
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Does anyone know which hotel envoy uses in Dallas for initial training? Like which holiday inn it is?
#6104
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From: A320 FO
Losing the pre assigned portion sucks no question about it. However, the arbitrator ruled that the day of awarding of RAPs has to be done in seniority order. So if someone junior to you was given 10 am rap they have to give everyone who proffered for it that is senior 10 am rap. The union should seek a compensation from the company for not following seniority for the last year and a half in regards to RAP assignment
So if your pre-assigned RAP is 4am. Someone junior to you gets 10am RAP, then that means you are supposed to get 10am RAP? Is that the interpretation? Because I'm sure the company wouldn't think so.
#6106
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So, this is a little off topic, but I would value (most) of the opinions on the matter.
I was given the pre-employment offer one week ago today. Got a call back today saying I didn't have enough time in the last 12 months. I asked how much more I would need, he said he'd ask and get back to me.
In as few words as possible, other than 2.6 hours flown with a CFI locally two weeks ago (got signed off on), I have zero flight time in ~3 years. I have ~500 hours of 135 time in a Caravan back in 2008. Built a lot of 172 time between 2009 and 2013.
I asked him about alternatives to paying for flight time since it wouldn't be relevant at all to 121 flying (other than getting my IPC signed off on, which I will still do regardless). I was told that the most relevant thing to show would be completion of a 121 ground school course. Other than that, good luck finding a 135 operation with no contract to build ~100 hours and bail.
So do I go to a 121 with no contract and complete ground school and jump ship (and feel like a huge d0uche the whole way through), or do I seek alternatives? My first reaction is to not burn a bridge, EVER. But then again, we all know an airline or two that may or may not deserve it. ><
Thoughts?
I was given the pre-employment offer one week ago today. Got a call back today saying I didn't have enough time in the last 12 months. I asked how much more I would need, he said he'd ask and get back to me.
In as few words as possible, other than 2.6 hours flown with a CFI locally two weeks ago (got signed off on), I have zero flight time in ~3 years. I have ~500 hours of 135 time in a Caravan back in 2008. Built a lot of 172 time between 2009 and 2013.
I asked him about alternatives to paying for flight time since it wouldn't be relevant at all to 121 flying (other than getting my IPC signed off on, which I will still do regardless). I was told that the most relevant thing to show would be completion of a 121 ground school course. Other than that, good luck finding a 135 operation with no contract to build ~100 hours and bail.
So do I go to a 121 with no contract and complete ground school and jump ship (and feel like a huge d0uche the whole way through), or do I seek alternatives? My first reaction is to not burn a bridge, EVER. But then again, we all know an airline or two that may or may not deserve it. ><
Thoughts?
I also was given my pre-offer letter earlier this week. I have 0 time in the last two years. Am I going to be able to get a class date with Envoy or am I screwed?
#6107
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From: forever fo
#6108
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A few of the holiday inns give them. I'm on the crj so we only have a couple hotels. Emj pilots may have more luck.
Rap(reserve availability period)- is a window you are assigned for reserve. I forget the times, but say 4am to 6pm, or 10 am to 12am, or ready reserve(kind of crap) you come into work to sit at the airport, and you're not paid for the whole time, alpa likes it that way.
Rap(reserve availability period)- is a window you are assigned for reserve. I forget the times, but say 4am to 6pm, or 10 am to 12am, or ready reserve(kind of crap) you come into work to sit at the airport, and you're not paid for the whole time, alpa likes it that way.
#6109
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#6110
Works Weekends & It's OK
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