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Old 10-05-2016, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DilsonWic View Post
That's the goal. Who knows how or when it'll happen? Rumor is CRJs stay until they have an Aspen solution.
Well if that's the goal then its not as rosy as it seems over at Envoy.
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Old 10-05-2016, 06:06 PM
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Well if that's the goal then its not as rosy as it seems over at Envoy.
Really? How so? Because someone told you the goal is to lose flying? I'm pretty sure you mis-read what that person was telling you. If not, let me clarify. The goal for Envoy-from AA down to Envoy managers-is growth. More flying, not less. Pay increases are part of that. Opening an entirely new base is also part of it.

The CRJs are the least of anyone's worries. They are staying for the time being. But long term Envoy's future is primarily E175s with a small amount of E145s. In our contract we have 40 E175s guaranteed plus options for 90 more. With our increased staffing levels and 50 new hires a month we are working towards seeing the 90 options start arriving late next year.

But hey...don't listen to us. Mesa is always hiring.
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Old 10-05-2016, 06:15 PM
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Old 10-05-2016, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector View Post
Really? How so? Because someone told you the goal is to lose flying? I'm pretty sure you mis-read what that person was telling you. If not, let me clarify. The goal for Envoy-from AA down to Envoy managers-is growth. More flying, not less. Pay increases are part of that. Opening an entirely new base is also part of it.

The CRJs are the least of anyone's worries. They are staying for the time being. But long term Envoy's future is primarily E175s with a small amount of E145s. In our contract we have 40 E175s guaranteed plus options for 90 more. With our increased staffing levels and 50 new hires a month we are working towards seeing the 90 options start arriving late next year.
But hey...don't listen to us. Mesa is always hiring.
how do you explain the APA/AA scope limits which we are almost at, maybe 10 options exercise but you are not going to see 90 for a loooooong time. The only other avenue for growth on the e175 is aa canceling or not renewing compass cpa which would free up 19 aircraft for envoy or some other. it is all nothing but a shell game. here today gone tomorrow. just an opinion
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Old 10-05-2016, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
how do you explain the APA/AA scope limits which we are almost at, maybe 10 options exercise but you are not going to see 90 for a loooooong time. The only other avenue for growth on the e175 is aa canceling or not renewing compass cpa which would free up 19 aircraft for envoy or some other. it is all nothing but a shell game. here today gone tomorrow. just an opinion
Thought they rolled back the amount of Ejets RAH was gong to operate.
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Old 10-05-2016, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
how do you explain the APA/AA scope limits which we are almost at, maybe 10 options exercise but you are not going to see 90 for a loooooong time. The only other avenue for growth on the e175 is aa canceling or not renewing compass cpa which would free up 19 aircraft for envoy or some other. it is all nothing but a shell game. here today gone tomorrow. just an opinion
There are a number of things which will play out in the next few years that will affect scope. For example, reducing the amount of outsourced flying, AA taking on more narrow body aircraft, and reconfiguration of existing CRJs.

By the time all the dust has settled expect to have only 2 maybe 3 outsourced companies doing niche flying for AA. The rest of the flying will be in house with the 3 wholly owned and mainline.
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector View Post
Really? How so? Because someone told you the goal is to lose flying? I'm pretty sure you mis-read what that person was telling you. If not, let me clarify. The goal for Envoy-from AA down to Envoy managers-is growth. More flying, not less. Pay increases are part of that. Opening an entirely new base is also part of it.

The CRJs are the least of anyone's worries. They are staying for the time being. But long term Envoy's future is primarily E175s with a small amount of E145s. In our contract we have 40 E175s guaranteed plus options for 90 more. With our increased staffing levels and 50 new hires a month we are working towards seeing the 90 options start arriving late next year.

But hey...don't listen to us. Mesa is always hiring.
I'm trying to understand the situation there that's all. The recruiters will tell you what you want to hear and that there's growth. The reality seems like loss of AC as in the remaining CRJs late next year and shuffling of 145s to Piedmont.
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga View Post
I'm trying to understand the situation there that's all. The recruiters will tell you what you want to hear and that there's growth. The reality seems like loss of AC as in the remaining CRJs late next year and shuffling of 145s to Piedmont.
We are more than likely going to stay around the same number of birds I'd imagine. If growth is what you are looking for you are looking because that will lead to a quick upgrade right? Well attrition off the top also leads to a quick upgrade. And there will be lots of attrition with the amount of hiring AA is doing not to mention everyone getting hired off the street elsewhere.
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer View Post
Thought they rolled back the amount of Ejets RAH was gong to operate.
They are also reconfiguring some to be below the large RJ seat limit.
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by moon View Post
We are more than likely going to stay around the same number of birds I'd imagine. If growth is what you are looking for you are looking because that will lead to a quick upgrade right? Well attrition off the top also leads to a quick upgrade. And there will be lots of attrition with the amount of hiring AA is doing not to mention everyone getting hired off the street elsewhere.
He's not "looking" for anything. He's likely still at transtates, and a quick glance at his post history is telling. He's hasn't yet been able to move upward from there, and he occasionally likes to try to unsuccessfully rain on someone else's parade.
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