New Envoy Information
08-20-2016 | 06:30 AM
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From: forever fo
Thanks for the information. Do you know if the reserves are flying much? I'm an F/O for another regional and am absolutely fed up with my commute. I live in Fort Worth and trying to decide on fractional flying or Envoy. Anyone here think 135 turbine PIC is better than 121 F/O time (if the end goal is a major)?
Currently the reserves are being flown almost daily. Anytime I look ord and dfw emj are 0. However it's summer, and it seems like thunderstorms hit both places almost daily. Regardless it appears we are below the correct staffing level. If fall doesn't have a sizable reduction in block hours my guess is this will continue.
08-20-2016 | 07:08 AM
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Awesome! I'm rooting for the pilot on this, however, I'm sure the corporation will not learn from this. Evidently they didn't get a good grade on corporate ethics 101.
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08-20-2016 | 09:33 AM
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Right now classes are full until 2017. So if you got hired on now then you would probably start training in Nov.(ish) and finish up in January. So you get a two to three months paid vacation before you start training.
08-20-2016 | 12:40 PM
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Does that include time spent sleeping at an overnight? That's a bit unrealistic unless you expect an all day-trip schedule. I agree we spend too much time away for too little pay due to inefficient schedules, but I think your number doesn't paint a clear or realistic picture.
08-20-2016 | 01:02 PM
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My regional had a 4:1 trip rig which meant at minimum getting paid one hour for every four spent away from home. Almost all trips exceeded that amount. For example a 74 hour time away from base (TAFB) would pay at minimum 18.5 hours. I don't know if Envoy has that trip rig or not in their contract. Most four days are going to pay 20-23 hours.
08-20-2016 | 01:33 PM
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My regional had a 4:1 trip rig which meant at minimum getting paid one hour for every four spent away from home. Almost all trips exceeded that amount. For example a 74 hour time away from base (TAFB) would pay at minimum 18.5 hours. I don't know if Envoy has that trip rig or not in their contract. Most four days are going to pay 20-23 hours.
08-20-2016 | 01:40 PM
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From: Feito no Brasil, CA
Inefficient schedules + low staffing = things fall apart too easily. Yet we kept accepting flying that created the problem, and the schedules are bad enough that some people can't wait to leave ENY at their first opportunity, thereby worsening the staffing problem.
08-20-2016 | 02:18 PM
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It's not unpaid. It's not paid enough. Here's the said email they were referring to:
August 20, 2016
Pilots,
Below is a breakdown for September and how it compares to the rest of the year.
The time away from base (TAFB) per hour of pay was 4.66 in September. This means that on average we spend 4.66 hours away from home for every hour of pay. In August, that number was 4.2. We continue to head in the wrong direction even as the line values have increased. For example, in January that ratio was 4.43 and trended down to a “low” of 4.12 in Apr, and stayed close at 4.17 through June. Average line values over the course of the year are relatively flat on the CRJ, up around 7 hours for ORD 145, and up 13 hours for the 145 in DFW.
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