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#4611
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You just made that definition up. And you don't get my point. Positive space is what people who purchase tickets get. You get a "confirmed seat." No, it is not "guaranteed" - I'd love to see an airline ticket or contract of carriage that says the seat is guaranteed. It never is -- how could it be? Your flight might get cancelled. The airline might have oversold the flight -- a legal right they have. At that point, whether you get on will depend upon your priority - how much you paid, when you checked in, whatever. The point of this discussion is that when you are flying to/from training, or on a deadhead, you are flown positive space -- you have a seat. It's not standby. Now if you get bumped in an oversold situation, that will depend on if you're A1 or A3, of course -- if you're A3, you're more likely to get bumped, because you're a lower priority status amongst all of the positive spacers (paying pax).
I can't speak to that deal with your buddy, and I'm not sure how that's relevant to a discussion about Envoy's policies regarding positive space tickets.
[not an authoritative source, but to show at least one website agrees with me] Positive Space -- Definition: Travel industry term for a confirmed seat booking. Negative Space: Travel industry term for an unconfirmed (standby) seat booking. Opposite of positive space.
I can't speak to that deal with your buddy, and I'm not sure how that's relevant to a discussion about Envoy's policies regarding positive space tickets.
[not an authoritative source, but to show at least one website agrees with me] Positive Space -- Definition: Travel industry term for a confirmed seat booking. Negative Space: Travel industry term for an unconfirmed (standby) seat booking. Opposite of positive space.
People that buy tickets are NOT positive space. Flights are oversold all the time, and purchased tickets do not guarantee a seat on a flight.
There are very few reasons that someone is positive space. It means that the company needs you to be on that flight. A DH'ing crew is positive space. A DH crew will bump paying passengers off of a flight.
#4612
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If you are positive space, you are 100% guaranteed a seat on that airplane, unless the flight cancels.
People that buy tickets are NOT positive space. Flights are oversold all the time, and purchased tickets do not guarantee a seat on a flight.
There are very few reasons that someone is positive space. It means that the company needs you to be on that flight. A DH'ing crew is positive space. A DH crew will bump paying passengers off of a flight.
People that buy tickets are NOT positive space. Flights are oversold all the time, and purchased tickets do not guarantee a seat on a flight.
There are very few reasons that someone is positive space. It means that the company needs you to be on that flight. A DH'ing crew is positive space. A DH crew will bump paying passengers off of a flight.
#4614
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Nope WRONG. It's not standby. I have A3 passed on MQ and AA leaving revenue standbys. When you check in for an A3 flight then it assigns you a seat. I have A3ed when they were calling for volunteers to take a voucher. If you still call it standby then we'll agree to disagree.
#4617
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Nope WRONG. It's not standby. I have A3 passed on MQ and AA leaving revenue standbys. When you check in for an A3 flight then it assigns you a seat. I have A3ed when they were calling for volunteers to take a voucher. If you still call it standby then we'll agree to disagree.
This is correct. If you don't check in before the flight fills up you can be denied a seat as A3, whereas A1 is "must fly" and they will bump revenue for you.
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