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Old 08-25-2016, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 271c View Post
You just made that definition up. And you don't get my point. Positive space is what people who purchase tickets get. You get a "confirmed seat." No, it is not "guaranteed" - I'd love to see an airline ticket or contract of carriage that says the seat is guaranteed. It never is -- how could it be? Your flight might get cancelled. The airline might have oversold the flight -- a legal right they have. At that point, whether you get on will depend upon your priority - how much you paid, when you checked in, whatever. The point of this discussion is that when you are flying to/from training, or on a deadhead, you are flown positive space -- you have a seat. It's not standby. Now if you get bumped in an oversold situation, that will depend on if you're A1 or A3, of course -- if you're A3, you're more likely to get bumped, because you're a lower priority status amongst all of the positive spacers (paying pax).

I can't speak to that deal with your buddy, and I'm not sure how that's relevant to a discussion about Envoy's policies regarding positive space tickets.

[not an authoritative source, but to show at least one website agrees with me] Positive Space -- Definition: Travel industry term for a confirmed seat booking. Negative Space: Travel industry term for an unconfirmed (standby) seat booking. Opposite of positive space.
If you are positive space, you are 100% guaranteed a seat on that airplane, unless the flight cancels.

People that buy tickets are NOT positive space. Flights are oversold all the time, and purchased tickets do not guarantee a seat on a flight.

There are very few reasons that someone is positive space. It means that the company needs you to be on that flight. A DH'ing crew is positive space. A DH crew will bump paying passengers off of a flight.
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Old 08-25-2016, 12:02 PM
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If you are positive space, you are 100% guaranteed a seat on that airplane, unless the flight cancels.

People that buy tickets are NOT positive space. Flights are oversold all the time, and purchased tickets do not guarantee a seat on a flight.

There are very few reasons that someone is positive space. It means that the company needs you to be on that flight. A DH'ing crew is positive space. A DH crew will bump paying passengers off of a flight.
Can we split some more hairs please. We all know the difference between A1 vs A3. Seriously can we stop this petty argument?
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Old 08-25-2016, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by adspilot View Post
Can we split some more hairs please. We all know the difference between A1 vs A3. Seriously can we stop this petty argument?
Sure, easy.

A1 = Positive Space
A3 = High Priority Standby
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Old 08-25-2016, 07:48 PM
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Sure, easy.

A1 = Positive Space
A3 = High Priority Standby
Nope WRONG. It's not standby. I have A3 passed on MQ and AA leaving revenue standbys. When you check in for an A3 flight then it assigns you a seat. I have A3ed when they were calling for volunteers to take a voucher. If you still call it standby then we'll agree to disagree.
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Old 08-26-2016, 05:54 AM
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Can someone tell me what Envoy E145 training is like? Any tips on training? Starting pay? Sign on bonus? Reserves? Any tips accepted.
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Old 08-26-2016, 08:10 AM
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Can someone tell me what Envoy E145 training is like? Any tips on training? Starting pay? Sign on bonus? Reserves? Any tips accepted.
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Old 08-26-2016, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by adspilot View Post
Nope WRONG. It's not standby. I have A3 passed on MQ and AA leaving revenue standbys. When you check in for an A3 flight then it assigns you a seat. I have A3ed when they were calling for volunteers to take a voucher. If you still call it standby then we'll agree to disagree.


This is correct. If you don't check in before the flight fills up you can be denied a seat as A3, whereas A1 is "must fly" and they will bump revenue for you.
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Old 08-26-2016, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jland0413 View Post
Can someone tell me what Envoy E145 training is like? Any tips on training? Starting pay? Sign on bonus? Reserves? Any tips accepted.
Must resist urge to flame...
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Old 08-26-2016, 05:15 PM
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Just go to Envoy expect a 8 yr upgrade and a 15year flow. I dont see an issue with that!
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Old 08-26-2016, 07:07 PM
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Funny, the people that work here do.
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