New Envoy Information
08-19-2016 | 11:47 AM
#4591
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From: middle seat in the back
When lines are not commutable, have only a day or two off between 3 and/or 4 day trips strung 3 or 4 in a row people are going to get burned out. If you're on one of those lines it's going to result in being home only 1-2 nights between trips over 16 days.
I haven't heard of anyone getting drops approved, either.
So you get your butt worked off for 11-13 days off, much of which has a big possibility of being non-commutable, and get paid 72-75 hours.
I'm looking at the bid pack and see a 5 trip line with 2 days off between each trip and every trip either starts around 0800 or has a finish after 2100. I can't think of any legal way to commute for that off the top of my head without losing a day off to commute in early, and even a local would get burned out after a while doing this schedule.
So yeah, people are going to call in sick because they're tired. Literally. There's no time to recover. I guess it's cheaper to fire people than to fix the schedules. Just my opinion.
I haven't heard of anyone getting drops approved, either.
So you get your butt worked off for 11-13 days off, much of which has a big possibility of being non-commutable, and get paid 72-75 hours.
I'm looking at the bid pack and see a 5 trip line with 2 days off between each trip and every trip either starts around 0800 or has a finish after 2100. I can't think of any legal way to commute for that off the top of my head without losing a day off to commute in early, and even a local would get burned out after a while doing this schedule.
So yeah, people are going to call in sick because they're tired. Literally. There's no time to recover. I guess it's cheaper to fire people than to fix the schedules. Just my opinion.
08-19-2016 | 12:23 PM
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08-19-2016 | 03:48 PM
#4593
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From: Feito no Brasil, CA
08-20-2016 | 04:53 AM
#4596
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I heard that it's more about working another job while under FMLA, than picking up pizza.
08-20-2016 | 05:15 AM
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From: CRJ FO
I mean honestly... It's so bizarre that there has to be more to the story than Envoy just randomly busting some guy with a PI while he was on FMLA...
08-20-2016 | 05:34 AM
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From: Feito no Brasil, CA
I think it's amazing that a PI was hired, it's crazy. If these guys were doing stupid stuff with their FMLA I don't know what they were thinking, but right or wrong they got fired and will be fighting to get their jobs back.
I have to wonder about the PI, though. This is proof that the company is going to some pretty serious lengths to dig up any infraction of the rules, but how many people are on FMLA? What other people are going to get a PI tailing them?
Bad enough you need to watch your back at work, but now you need to watch your back at home, too.
I have to wonder about the PI, though. This is proof that the company is going to some pretty serious lengths to dig up any infraction of the rules, but how many people are on FMLA? What other people are going to get a PI tailing them?
Bad enough you need to watch your back at work, but now you need to watch your back at home, too.
08-20-2016 | 06:07 AM
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08-20-2016 | 06:20 AM
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Thanks for the information. Do you know if the reserves are flying much? I'm an F/O for another regional and am absolutely fed up with my commute. I live in Fort Worth and trying to decide on fractional flying or Envoy. Anyone here think 135 turbine PIC is better than 121 F/O time (if the end goal is a major)?
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