It's 5:10 per duty period, not day. That 24 hours you spend in the hotel, isn't a duty period.

Here is the relevant section from the contract.

F. TimeAwayFromBase
1. A pilot who reports for any flight duty (including deadheading) which involves two (2) or more on duty periods broken by at least one (1) off duty period away from such pilot's base, shall receive the greater of the following:
a. one (1) minute pay and flight time credit for each three and one-half (3-1/2) minutes of scheduled or rescheduled time away from such pilot's base;
b. one (1) minute pay and flight time credit for each three and one- half (3-1/2) minutes of actual time away from such pilot's base.
The difference between flight time pay and flight time credit earned during such period of time away from base and the minimum flight time pay and flight time credit provided above shall be computed as an extension of the trip which brings the pilot back to the pilot's base for legal rest.
2. For purposes of paragraphs F.1. and G. of this Section, on duty periods and off duty periods shall be as set forth in paragraph C.5. of this Section.
G. Duty Period - Average and Minimum
A pilot who reports for any flight duty (including deadheading) shall receive a minimum of five hours and ten minutes (5:10) flight time pay and flight time credit multiplied by the number of duty periods contained in such pilot's trip sequence, provided however, that a pilot who performs two (2) or more on duty periods broken by at least one (1) off duty period away from such pilot's base shall receive, for each duty period provided in E.1. above, a minimum of three (3) hours flight time pay and flight time credit.


Here is an example of the lovely "slash" trips in question.

SKD 77 484 DFW 1435 CLT 1805 2.30 2.06
SKD 77 619 CLT 2011 D SFO 2300 5.49
D/P SKD 8.19 P/C 0.00 TL 8.19
HALF DAY COUNT SFO 4
SKD ONDUTY 11.40 ODL 24.35
FDPT 11.25 START 1335 END 0100 ACC STA DFW
SKD 77 464 SFO 0050 M DFW 0609 3.19
D/P SKD 3.19 P/C 0.01F TL 3.20
SKD ONDUTY 4.34
FDPT 4.19 START 0150 END 0609 ACC STA DFW
SEQ SKD 11.38 P/C 0.01 TL 11.39 TAFB 40.49

 

Hey, Dacuj, when do you think you are going to flow to AA? Are you an '06 hire?

 

Feel free to crawl back into that cubicle at the sju palace. Envoy sucks on a good day. Your flow us just to maintain cheap labor. You are a company stooge. Simple as that.

 

Feel free to crawl back into that cubicle at the sju palace. Envoy sucks on a good day. Your flow is just to maintain cheap labor. You are a company stooge. Simple as that.

 

I should flow in 18. Yes, 2006.

 

Call me a company stooge all you want. I'm keeping things on the positive side. I'll be at American soon and it will have all been worth it.

Just like for the guys coming in now.

 

2018 is a long way away. What's the possibility of a market downturn before then? If there is a downturn will the bonus continue? How about hiring at AA. At least qol will improve with a downturn right?

 

If you haven't noticed, the flow has been going strong now for a solid 4 years. It's not going to stop. For one, it's contractual. Secondly, have you even looked at AA's retirement list? The numbers are so large that the flow isn't going to stop....for years.

As for the bonus, I think it's great. AAG is following the market closely and is staying at or above it in all cases. I think they have made some great decisions.

 

Yes flow has been increasing every year for the last 4 yrs so it's guaranteed to never slow? The flow so far isn't contractual. It's a mediators decision so it's not the same as the protected pilots and later that are contractual. I have looked at their and the industries list of retirements. Did you look at the furlough list or line value at AA during each recession? 500 guys needing to get hired a year sounds huge until you realize they have 15000 on property. They could do just fine not hiring huge numbers for 1 or 2 yrs. yes the bonus is great for new hires, it's ok for guys already on property and I realize they wouldn't be offering it if they didn't have to. They have made some good decisions. I wouldn't say great. Would you also admit they have made some very brash bad decisions as well. Perhaps we can agree lga and mia were just poopy decisions.

 

Yes, closing LGA and MIA may have been premature. However, the company was planning for RAH to fill the gap in MIA as they needed the 175's for those lucrative routes. As we know, staffing became an issue for RAH and that continued our flying down there.

Let me say this about the current Envoy. We have evolved from the mostly sole feeder to AA to competing with other regionals for flying. Since this transition over the past 4 years, comparing Envoy to all the regionals flying for AA, Envoy is hands down the best. We provide the best product, ontime flights, professional staff in comparison to the other companies.

In a lot of ways we have maintained this special relationship with AAG as we have progressed into the era of competing regionals at American. How, you ask?

We have the best flow in the industry. No other regional comes close.

We are transitioning gradually to an all E175 fleet. This is the top of the line "regional" jet. Everyone knows though that this isn't a real regional jet. The other two WO's fly the regional jets. We fly routes that AA does. In a way, you could see we are a hybrid mainline American. Before you start saying how stupid this is, read the next point.

Which brings me to, we have one interview. It's an AA interview. You interview, hire into Envoy and less than 6 years later you are at American. You don't have to do another interview or a medical. You simply transfer over as you would if you had bid the E175 coming from the E145.

Not a single other "regional" carrier in the U.S. has this. AAG wants it this way. They want a cradle to grave employment opportunity. That way, Envoy gets the best and the brightest out there. Envoy isn't Mesa. We don't "interview" over the phone and the interview isn't easy. It shouldn't be. It's an American Airlines interview.

So, tell me again why you can't be positive about Envoy?