Funny how management is using actual numbers, which can be backed up by the latest interactive seniority list, and you call their guess "wild speculation". But your prediction is somehow fact based? I'm skeptical about the flow time as well, but I give more credence to something that makes sense on paper rather than your “prediction”. What happened to your HARD NUMBERS you were throwing around to RyanP.


Also, the numbers being used in the interactive list are based on 25 per month not 30 for the 824 and protected pilots.

 

Baby Hippopotamus weight about 100 lbs when born, Giraffe's have the same number of cervical vertebrae as humans, and the Blue Whale is the largest living mammal living today. Those are all "cold, hard facts" and also, as is the case with your cold, hard fact have nothing to do with the time it will take a new hire today to flow. Outside the other evidence that you are a troll and do not work for envoy, we can add your statement above to the repertoire. Any idiot realizes that there are a myriad of reasons that contributed to those individuals flowing at 16 years, that would never impact a new hire today. The lack of mass retirements and AA not hiring for 12 years would be among the forefront of those reasons.

Even a 19 year old instrument student knows that one shouldn't care what the destination weather was yesterday, last week or even right now. What matters is what the weather will be when you get there. Flow, upgrades and reserve time, like weather, is a fluid situation effected by a range of external influences. While some of those influences cannot be predicted (Terrorists attacks), the primary influence can be reasonably predicted (contractual provisions, mandatory retirement ages and aircraft orders). Ignoring such logical reasoning, you show that your true objective is lies and deceit. By repeatedly referencing "facts" that have no true pertinence of the subject, you are really just demonstrating that you are hoping that prospective new hires are too stupid to understand the difference and blindly accept your propaganda.

I may "sell" envoy, but at least you will not find me over in a Endeavor or RAH forum bashing them for their payscales or creating fake accounts trolling PSA forums bashing them for having PBS. Even though his true intentions are also obvious, at least eagefly attempts to vail his "envoy bashing" as being an unbiased assessment, you are just full on troll. Its really kind of sad.

 

No kidding. These guys base future predictions on past performance. If they wanted to do that they should go back to complaining about flowbacks and the loss of the SAAB fleet, because hey, by 2020 we'd be fleetless and populated by former AA FO's, right?

The only thing they're right about is Ric's prediction that someone hired TODAY (which is exactly what Ric says) will upgrade in 2.5 years. I believe that to be flat wrong because there aren't enough upgrades in the works to upgrade our entire FO corps in that window. Is 2.5 to CA possible? Yeah, but they should've started the upgrade bids already.

 

Finally. You are showing signs that you accept 2.5 year upgrades aren't going to happen. I happen to agree on this point. It's pretty sad isn't it? Both PDT and PSA have sub 1 year upgrades and Envoy is still 8 plus. Yes, it's going to come down. Maybe a 4 or 5 year upgrade eventually. It's still pathetic though with the low end pay scales we have.

 

So I actually make eaglefly look like a knight in shining armor huh? Probably because I bluntly speak the truth.

Let's go over cold hard facts again in order to get it through to you.

Envoy. 8 plus year upgrade. 16 year flow.
PDT. Sub 1 year upgrade. Flow. ???
PSA. Sub 1 year upgrade. Flow. Not nearly as good as ENY or PDT.

What about the 8/16 at Envoy do you not comprehend? You have really been taught well in terms of putting lipstick on the pig that is Envoy. Sell it baby!

 

Been here about 2.5 years. You?

 

Mark my words. The next big "event" that will put the brakes on this flow will be the Great Pilot Shortage. AAG can and will completely STOP the flow when they are totally OUT of new hires.

 

Yeah, May 2013 hire right? We believe you.

 

Close. Not quite. I'm not giving out my exact hire date with the jackal patrol on here. I'll get done with a trip late one night and come into the crew room only to get ambushed by your goon squad. After recovering from the blanket party I'll head out to the parking lot only to find my tires slashed and my car keyed.

Hey Sky, 8 year upgrade. 16 year flow. Think twice before pulling the Envoy trigger y'all.

 

You did give out your exact date, you bafoon. I can quote it again if you want. May 2013. You didn't count on there being only one person active with that hire date.

Here, let's remember:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post2029378

Your other account has already been banned. Hopefully the mods will wake up and finish off this account of yours as well.