I believe that Eaglefly Is a troll because after he flow to american from
Eagle he came to this forum to say bad things about the company.
But nobody is going to believe you until you get your own name and
stop trying to be somebody that you are not. You are a troll too

 

I was a product, willing to help if you have questions

 

If you want to believe this nonsense to be true, knock yourself silly. In the decade before I flowed to AA, I made over a million dollars at Eagle and drove 25 miles to work doing it. Considering the hardships others endured during that period, I consider myself comparatively lucky. Now, I'm making $180K/year and flying with some great people to fun places. AA isn't perfect to be sure and we trail Delta significantly in QWL and overall compensation, but at least I'm outside the furlough bubble and even if my airline career ended tomorrow, I'd consider it a rewarding success. My retirement portfolio is mid 7 figures, to boot.

I know this will pi$$ you off as you really want me to be angry and bitter to better rationalize your **** situation (at least according to many on EL), but knowing that, I only giggle more. Not for many others there who deserve better and will ultimately get it, but for pathetic dregs like you. By all means though, continue on if it too distracts you from another crap day at Envoy.

 

The regional I flew for (American Eagle, Inc.) is by no means what it has become (Envoy). Neither in the carrier itself, nor many of the people still there. I don't see myself as saying bad things about the company per se, but more about some of those people who come here and peddle horse****. Again, if any pilots want the truth about Envoy, go to Eaglelounge (which really should be "Envoylounge"), and hear it directly from the horses themselves. They're whinnying up a storm over there.

All I do is highlight to false assumptions and dubious promises that are peddled here like this character does and just today, to boot.

 

I work here now, and have been here for almost 8 years. Im not going to came here and waste my time and yours trying to explain to you that the flow is working NOW . Tell that to the guys that are flowing every month. I dont know what is going to happen in the future but NOW there's guys flowing every month and that is good for me. Im a member of Eaglelounge and they dont represent the majority of the pilots here they always complain for everything whether is good or bad for us they always have a problem. I dont know if the 2.5 and 6 years is going to happen for the new guys that came here but if the flow keeps going the way is NOW, Capt upgrade is going to happen much faster than what it is now. So please by doing what you doing you are not helping anybody here or a new pilot that want to come here.
if you want to tell people the truth tell them what is happening now
because we don't know what is going to happen tomorrow.

 

I do encourage anyone considering envoy to check out Eaglelounge. Many do vent on there but you have to consider human and pilot nature. You can walk up to a flight crew member and give them $100 cash and walk away and they will find something to complain about. Hotel Van drivers must think that Flight Crews are the biggest bunch of cry babies in the universe. Similar to when you look online for reviews for a certain product. Even the best product in the world will have a bunch of complaints online. Why? When someone has a problem with a product, they will most definitely let everyone know about it but when they are pleased with it, they are far less likely to get online and post their praise for it. It is just human nature. You will see 100% of the gripes and maybe 10% of the good.

Many on Eaglelounge may complain about the bid lines or reserve but when they get a drop approved or a good line, they are less likely to get on the internet to say so. For instance, I see many complain about the schedules in the last few years but the schedules we are getting now are the same kind of schedules I have seen my friends fly at TSA, RAH, SKW and Xjet for years. Its not that envoy is any worse than any other regional, its just that the better than average schedules that we used to enjoy are more like the average regional now. Parker has taken us from a Mainline B Scale company to your average regional. Many at envoy have been shielded from the realities of your average regional, motivating their reactions. Another example, complaints about reserve. Every line and every reserve schedule cannot be commutable. Who gets stuck with those uncommutable schedules, the junior guys. Its just a part of an airline pilots life. At least at envoy, we can proffer for reserve trips. How many regionals allow you to use your seniority to choose what reserve trip you get to fly? We have many senior CAs & FOs that bid reserve because they can get such a good schedule using the reserve proffer and RAP assignment system. Not to mention, you can easily get 10 - 15% more pay each month creating conflicts with our hard schedule system in comparison to PBS. What other regional has that? Plus, if I need certain days off, I just bid those lines. There is no wondering and hoping that the PBS will award what I need.

90% of the things I hear guys complain about on EL are things that the average regional pilot has delt with as normal practice for longer than I have been in this industry.

 

It's good you've chosen not to explain to me about the flow as I'm perfectly aware of what is occurring with it. It WOULD in fact, be wasting both of our times.

The flow IS working now. I've never disputed that even though last Summer there was a big brouhaha when AA didn't take any Envoy pilots when they should have. Making up for it after the fact doesn't change that, but yes, for arguments sake I'll agree that was an anomaly. But "now" isn't next Summer, 18 months or 6 years from now. That has been my point. The pilots flowing now are part of an arbitration award and most are above the competitions pay grades and thus there may be another component driving that flow for now. That dynamic could change completely once the last 824 flows, which looks like now will be in sometime in late 2017. Thus, NO ONE..........and I mean NO ONE, not even Parker himself can accurately make ANY promises about what an Envoy new-hire might realize at any point in the future. Any pilot who believes such a prognostication deserves what he/she gets.

As far as EL, I think it actually is a good litmus. I talk directly to Envoy pilots weekly in passing I knew there and they virtually ALL say the same thing, i.e., they've got one foot out the door at the first opportunity and the QWL there flat out sucks. Most have little faith in their union reps to correct the situation as well. Now admittedly, these are mostly more senior F/O's who've been there 5-8 years (which says something) and not senior captains in the 824. These senior pilots all to a T talk about being senior and getting poor schedules with 11-12 days off, low times and poor commutability. EL just backs that up with more pilots I don't converse with personally. I know a few of the 824's too and they plan to flow because most believe they have little hope in being picked up by a company that is more then a lateral move like DAL, UAL, FedEx or perhaps SWA. They're in their 40's or older and feel they have missed the boat. They don't want to start at the bottom of an LCC at those pay rates and futures. I know a few lifers (a couple who were even senior to me) who plan to retire there or go down with the ship, in the unlikely event that occurs first.

I'm more then aware of life at Envoy and compared to life at the old Letter 3 American Eagle pre-2010, it sounds like a disaster. Beware of ANYONE who rationalizes that as simply being just another regional existence equal to others. There are worse places to be sure, but QWL is better at others as well. I've talked to a few SkyWest pilots and even looked at a recent bid sheet and it was similar to what I recall at the old AE. Not saying anyone shouldn't go to Envoy, just do it for valid reasons that are quantifiable. What happens with the flow in 2,4 or 6 years is NOT a quantifiable reason IMO.

 

I've told you again and again. Times are different. Envoy now has a 2.5 year upgrade and a 6 year flow. That's a FACT. What about that do you not understand? Are you upset that a new hire will be at AA in 6 years instead of your 20? Does that bother you that we (Envoy) are essentially all AA pilots today? That we fly mainline aircraft (175) instead of ratty old turboprops? Seems like you can't get over that we have it better than you did.

 

Is there an internet term for when one internet troll starts arguing with another internet troll? Maybe he is arguing with himself?

There should be a term for that...

Trology? Double Trollin'? Troll on Troll Circle Jerk?

 

So just to clarify. You could look at the seniority list today, and see that the next guy flowing to AA was hired 6 years ago, and the most junior CA was hired 2.5 years ago?? If that's really true, good for you guys. You guys have gone through a lot of crap the last 2-3 years. To see that kind of change for the better is outstanding if true.