sublime259

Are we better then the PSA pilots? You're damn right we are. It's funny how AAG decided to name their regional brand as American Eagle and not PSA. I wonder how many of you go around telling your friends and family you work for American Eagle now? Or, dare I say, American Airlines?

Saabs

How is it funny that they chose the American regional name instead of a usairways one? why would they have even considered the airways regional name for the new American regionals?

daOldMan

Did't you guys vote YES to a sub-par contract? And then blame it on other people? Don't make me laugh. You guys are bottom feeders like everyone else.

If you had voted NO to the last contract, then you might have grounds for saying that you were not. But, you voted YES. And then, you blamed other people for it, and have your leadership on here telling everyone that your crappy contract is great just to attract people to go work there. Bottom feeder all the way!

Your flow will slow once the 824 are gone, as per your contract, and will stop all together if you can't hire enough people. Same is true for PDT and PSA.

The real enemy of the wholly-owned right now are the contract players like Republic AWAC. There are simply not enough new hires to go around, and if they are able to steal them away from the wholly owned companies with better pay, then the flows will stop and everyone will be stuck. It has happened before at America Eagle, and could easily happen again. Learn the history.

daOldMan

What was the hire date of the latest upgrade?
What was the hire date of the last person to flow?

Those are the numbers that actually matter. The rest are just made up numbers by recruiters.

sublime259

Cool your jets old man, you sound angry because I'm telling the truth about your bloodsucking pilot group.

I can't argue with someone who is honestly dumb enough to believe that current upgrade and current flow times have any bearing on the future of this airline. You lost all credibility right there.

Go back to your circle jerk party over at PSA. There's a reason why your pilot group is looked down upon by the entire industry and you personify that stigma pretty well right now.

Edit; I just read the rest of your drivel because I skipped over a lot of it...You are honestly talking sh!t about other companies because they are raising their pilot pay?! WOW! Typical PSA pilot, you are disgusting.

daOldMan

I do not, nor have I ever worked at PSA.

And if you think that most pilots at any REAL airline even knows who Envoy or PSA are, or cares, you are sadly mistaken. One commuter airline is the same as the rest.

FlameNSky

Actually, no they don't. Many a frustrated pilot have been hired by a company that currently had fast upgrades and couldn't understand what happened as they waited years and years to do so. Anyone hired by PSA in the last 6 months will likely get to know this feeling well.

When I was hired by Eagle, the upgrade had gone from two years to 6 years and growing. It had peaked at 10 years, 10 years to upgrade but it took me 6 1/2 years. It has currently gone from that to almost 8 years and the current junior Captain is a Oct 2007 hire. 220 upgrades next year will make it a late 2008 hire. After them it was a hiring gap so it will jump to a 2010 hire.

You may like to speculate that they will stop the flow but it is a contractual provision just like any other provision. You might as well say, "Don't go to RAH, they cannot afford to pay their $40 so your paycheck will bounce." "Don't go to SkyWest, they don't have a contract and they can do whatever they want"

daOldMan

But it is still speculation. It could be a 2 year upgrade, or a 12 year. It is just a guess. The only TRUE number is what upgrades are right now. There are simply too many variables to consider in making a guess.

The current upgrade time is a FACT. That is it.

Envoy could have an accident tomorrow that causes it to go out of business. Same is true of most any small company airline. The doors will close, AAG will spin off another company with a different name, and reset the pay of everyone involved to first year. Post REAL numbers, not what you hope is going to happen.

FlameNSky

And your statement about stopping the flow is what? Fortune telling?

The FACT is the upgrade times at ALL regionals fluctuate. Getting aircraft, losing aircraft, guys being hired by other companies, guys flowing... it all changes in a fluid environment.

To deny that, shows the intent of posts are propaganda.

In that ever changing environment, only envoy can contractualy guarantee that its Captains will be taking 50% of AA new hire spots. How many Captains can Xjet guarantee will be hired by other companies in the coming years. Does Republic know how many of their Captain will get other jobs? No one can know. Its all speculation. But I can look at AA retirement schedule and tell you that half of those guys will be replaced by envoy Captains ensuring that the current upgrade will continue to drop.

daOldMan

50% of new hires for how long? When does it drop to 30something%? And what happens if Envoy has to start parking airplanes? Will they still flow pilots?