AA CEO on Envoy
12-10-2015 | 11:41 AM
#11
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Very few envoy pilots are Proud of our contract. In fact the only reason, we ended up with it was because of you ass hats at PSA. Xjet said NO. Republic said NO. Envoy said NO. Then PSA's MEC came out publically and said, "We'll take it!". What we ended up with was nothing like PSA's contract. We said NO to Parker 3 times (twice at MEC level and once via pilot vote) before the envoy pilot group voted yes. Parker did not get the cheap contract he wanted out of us. The PR piece above is just his way of saving face and saying that the flying is returned because of our cost structure and not because of the horrible performance of his lowest bidders and their inability to staff the flying. All of this was done while Parker was holding a knife to our throats and guys like you were yelling, Cut! Cut! Cut!.
The OP isn't proud of our contract. He is happy that after years of stagnation, going from 3,300 pilots to just under 2,000, paying the price to Parker for standing up for ourselves and the industry, watching our upgrade and reserve times skyrocket while pilot groups like PSA who are all to happy to undercut the next guy grew exponentially. Maybe he is just happy that the envoy pilot group isn't being chit on anymore you little prick.
The OP isn't proud of our contract. He is happy that after years of stagnation, going from 3,300 pilots to just under 2,000, paying the price to Parker for standing up for ourselves and the industry, watching our upgrade and reserve times skyrocket while pilot groups like PSA who are all to happy to undercut the next guy grew exponentially. Maybe he is just happy that the envoy pilot group isn't being chit on anymore you little prick.
12-10-2015 | 11:49 AM
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That's what I thought. I guess we forgot that Air Wisconsin pays mainline wages, right? Move along. We all work for Regionals voluntarily, so get off your high horse.
A 5 second look at your recent post history shows you have a huge grudge against Envoy....strange as you don't even work here. I won't let you derail this thread any further.
A 5 second look at your recent post history shows you have a huge grudge against Envoy....strange as you don't even work here. I won't let you derail this thread any further.
I have far from a grudge for eagle pilots. I have a tremendous amount of respect for your group.
I mathematically cannot come to grips with the numbers you post, 2.5/6, I've seen the seniority lists. I've counted planes, flows, retirements, it doesn't work.
Those numbers sound good to say, but its not true. If it is, by all means feel free to explain it to me.
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12-10-2015 | 11:59 AM
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My orignal intention for this quote...see interpreted quote.
Excerpt taken from an interview that American Airlines CEO Doug Parker did recently:
On the future of regional carrier Envoy Air:
“They are extremely important for us saving/making us $$… The issue we were having with Envoy was they costs us $$$. We didn’t feel like giving them what they are worth, instead PSA lead the race to the bottom. The Envoy pilots were practically forced to take less $$$ and now here we are delivering new airplanes and they’re back to growing, but actually shrinking technically. Envoy was always going to be an important part of American’s feed, only if they cost less $$$ but it was unclear if it was going to take it in the rear, but they did. And thanks to the envoy/psa/pdt taking less $$$, i we are growing and AA is making all the profit and I'll get to pour myself another drink and pay for multiple dui's"
The interview is available on the AA internal company website.
In related news, the next new hire class at Envoy is scheduled to have 25 and I hear over 40 total for the month of January. Meanwhile 30+ will continue to flow each month to AA.
On the future of regional carrier Envoy Air:
“They are extremely important for us saving/making us $$… The issue we were having with Envoy was they costs us $$$. We didn’t feel like giving them what they are worth, instead PSA lead the race to the bottom. The Envoy pilots were practically forced to take less $$$ and now here we are delivering new airplanes and they’re back to growing, but actually shrinking technically. Envoy was always going to be an important part of American’s feed, only if they cost less $$$ but it was unclear if it was going to take it in the rear, but they did. And thanks to the envoy/psa/pdt taking less $$$, i we are growing and AA is making all the profit and I'll get to pour myself another drink and pay for multiple dui's"
The interview is available on the AA internal company website.
In related news, the next new hire class at Envoy is scheduled to have 25 and I hear over 40 total for the month of January. Meanwhile 30+ will continue to flow each month to AA.
12-10-2015 | 12:24 PM
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Maybe you're not seeing my point.
I have far from a grudge for eagle pilots. I have a tremendous amount of respect for your group.
I mathematically cannot come to grips with the numbers you post, 2.5/6, I've seen the seniority lists. I've counted planes, flows, retirements, it doesn't work.
Those numbers sound good to say, but its not true. If it is, by all means feel free to explain it to me.
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I have far from a grudge for eagle pilots. I have a tremendous amount of respect for your group.
I mathematically cannot come to grips with the numbers you post, 2.5/6, I've seen the seniority lists. I've counted planes, flows, retirements, it doesn't work.
Those numbers sound good to say, but its not true. If it is, by all means feel free to explain it to me.
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12-10-2015 | 12:46 PM
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I'm cautiously optimistic about the flow and upgrade times. I'll be quite happy to secretly hate you for getting a mainline seat in your early thirties while it appears it's taken me a decade more and counting. Congrats on calculating you'll be number 65 on the 787 when you retire you little sh i t, now shut up and drink the beer I bought you.
12-10-2015 | 01:17 PM
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That's what I thought. I guess we forgot that Air Wisconsin pays mainline wages, right? Move along. We all work for Regionals voluntarily, so get off your high horse.
A 5 second look at your recent post history shows you have a huge grudge against Envoy....strange as you don't even work here. I won't let you derail this thread any further.
A 5 second look at your recent post history shows you have a huge grudge against Envoy....strange as you don't even work here. I won't let you derail this thread any further.
12-10-2015 | 01:26 PM
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Maybe I am missing something, but 30 pilots flowing per month is 360 per year, or 720 in 2 years. Wouldn't that, combined with attrition, easily move 720+ people out of the way?
The six year flow seems like it could be realistic. The numbers support it, though they don't allow for much error. The 2.5 year upgrade though? That will take 700+ upgrades to catch that. That one is pretty hard to see coming to fruition. It will drop, but not THAT much.
12-10-2015 | 01:28 PM
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Haven't flown with a single pilot here who is "proud" of our contract, specially now that a bunch of other regional have better pay rates than Eagle, I mean, Envoy. We lost vacation so it matches with PSA n PDT, frozen per diem so PSA n PDT catch up, the 4/12 year caps and on and on. The "bribe" was money that we were gonna get anyways from our BK contract. But whatever, water under the bridge, here we are now.
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