AA CEO on Envoy
09-20-2016 | 06:02 PM
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09-20-2016 | 06:11 PM
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09-21-2016 | 02:49 AM
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Very few envoy pilots are Proud of our contract. In fact the only reason, we ended up with it was because of you ass hats at PSA. Xjet said NO. Republic said NO. Envoy said NO. Then PSA's MEC came out publically and said, "We'll take it!". What we ended up with was nothing like PSA's contract. We said NO to Parker 3 times (twice at MEC level and once via pilot vote) before the envoy pilot group voted yes. Parker did not get the cheap contract he wanted out of us. The PR piece above is just his way of saving face and saying that the flying is returned because of our cost structure and not because of the horrible performance of his lowest bidders and their inability to staff the flying. All of this was done while Parker was holding a knife to our throats and guys like you were yelling, Cut! Cut! Cut!.
The OP isn't proud of our contract. He is happy that after years of stagnation, going from 3,300 pilots to just under 2,000, paying the price to Parker for standing up for ourselves and the industry, watching our upgrade and reserve times skyrocket while pilot groups like PSA who are all to happy to undercut the next guy grew exponentially. Maybe he is just happy that the envoy pilot group isn't being chit on anymore you little prick.
The OP isn't proud of our contract. He is happy that after years of stagnation, going from 3,300 pilots to just under 2,000, paying the price to Parker for standing up for ourselves and the industry, watching our upgrade and reserve times skyrocket while pilot groups like PSA who are all to happy to undercut the next guy grew exponentially. Maybe he is just happy that the envoy pilot group isn't being chit on anymore you little prick.
I have respect for envoy for standing up with us RAH people. They only accepted the current contract after PSA blended over backwards to Doug Parker. I hope their FOs get stuck on that 4 year cap for the longest time.
**** em.
09-21-2016 | 04:16 AM
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I mean, we can rehash all this perpetually if that is what you guys wanna do... Seens pointless to be bitter about something that is far enough in the past. And most of the guys who voted on that are gone to AA. We honestly have a small percentage left. The vast makeup of our pilot group is refugees from other airlines like Eagle, Endeavor, ExpressJet, Republic, and ComAir and guys brand new to this industry who only saw growth, upgrades, and low time on reserve.
09-21-2016 | 04:26 AM
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I mean, we can rehash all this perpetually if that is what you guys wanna do... Seens pointless to be bitter about something that is far enough in the past. And most of the guys who voted on that are gone to AA. We honestly have a small percentage left. The vast makeup of our pilot group is refugees from other airlines like Eagle, Endeavor, ExpressJet, Republic, and ComAir and guys brand new to this industry who only saw growth, upgrades, and low time on reserve.
09-21-2016 | 05:28 AM
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The contract had marked improvements in some areas and concessions in others from my understanding. I didn't fly under it, but that is what I'm told by those who did. The SAP and the critical pay were huge improvements. With the critical pay, PSA line holders were crediting upwards of 150 credit hours /month, making us the highest paid regional at the time. The company decided it did not see that one coming and has since violated our contract for quite some time now (we are presently waiting to hear from the arbitrator on the issue). And the SAP is by far the largest QOL enhancer I've ever seen. I absolutely love it and I wouldn't trade it for even a $20 /hour raise. PSA voted to save their jobs, and the airplanes were attached to that vote. At the time, they were a tiny, insignificant airline. They could of easily been wound down and their flying doled out. After the merger when Eagle began dealing with Parker, we warned you that he didn't fool around and he meant what he said. And look what you went through and are continuing to go through. Worst schedules of any AAG carrier. Longest reserve. I guess it was PSA's fault you decided to become a pilot and swallow the pill that is this industry whole? We aren't the first, the last, or the worst. And neither are you. Right now we're all seeing marked improvements over the rest of the industry. The best improvements most of us have ever seen at a regional airline. And yet, here some of you are, continuing to beat the dead horse. Well, enjoy it.
09-21-2016 | 08:09 AM
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Excerpt taken from an interview that American Airlines CEO Doug Parker did recently:
On the future of regional carrier Envoy Air:
“They are extremely important to us… The issue we were having with Envoy was their prior cost structure. We didn’t have the opportunity to grow that business because we had other lower-cost growth alternatives. The Envoy team including the pilots figured out a way to become competitive and now here we are delivering new airplanes and they’re back to growing. It was always going to be an important part of American’s feed but it was unclear if it was going to be important and shrinking or important and growing. And thanks to the new contracts in place, it’s important and growing.”
The interview is available on the AA internal company website.
In related news, the next new hire class at Envoy is scheduled to have 25 and I hear over 40 total for the month of January. Meanwhile 30+ will continue to flow each month to AA.
On the future of regional carrier Envoy Air:
“They are extremely important to us… The issue we were having with Envoy was their prior cost structure. We didn’t have the opportunity to grow that business because we had other lower-cost growth alternatives. The Envoy team including the pilots figured out a way to become competitive and now here we are delivering new airplanes and they’re back to growing. It was always going to be an important part of American’s feed but it was unclear if it was going to be important and shrinking or important and growing. And thanks to the new contracts in place, it’s important and growing.”
The interview is available on the AA internal company website.
In related news, the next new hire class at Envoy is scheduled to have 25 and I hear over 40 total for the month of January. Meanwhile 30+ will continue to flow each month to AA.
Not sure how to take your post. Yeah D Parker loves cheap regional pilots. It's not something to be proud of though. Any ways good luck
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09-21-2016 | 09:12 AM
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09-27-2016 | 06:33 AM
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You can't blame ALPA or line pilots for repeating what the management teams have stated. That would be like blaming CNN for the Fed Res Chair choosing to raise interest rates or not.
09-27-2016 | 07:10 AM
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Thank you for your insightful reply. I would have to say that if aag management wants any group, including investors, to take their statements and projections to the bank then they have to start making good on them. At some point calling wolf and having unattainable goals are the same thing in my book
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