While 350-400 flows would be great, as it would get me over to AA by the end of 2016, I think the 700-800 number includes anywhere from 100-200 recalls.

 

From a town hall meeting, after an AA pilot asked Parker about hiring for 2016, someone from AAG (not Envoy) made it clear: around 450 from Envoy/PSA/PDT with more room from military once the recalls are done. So around 300 from Envoy, around 100 from PSA, and 60 from PDT.

 

I would like it to be true that such a great number could flow in one year, but realistically a wrench gets thrown in the works somewhere along the way. Un-defers are the likely wrench, and a greater number than expected could return. As far as the employees are concerned AAG can put out statements of great things to come, but the end result is often disappointing. I'm sure someone will correct me on this, but even if we do a steady average flow of 30/month is only 360 pilots, less those from the pool taken this year, less the un-defers.

If they take more, great! But chances are that the number will be less than 300, guessing conservatively.

 

Not necessarily 300 from Envoy. First class in Jan has 5 street hired Envoy pilots with more to follow, so include that on top of the flows. Probably 350-375 Envoy pilots will go to American next year. Many were street hired within year ago and are awaiting class dates.

 

I think the ratio is off a bit. PSA got a bump in the number of people that they send over but I think its only up to 6/month right now, but increasing as certain metrics are met. They will probably send closer to 80 next year.

 

Hopefully fellas, hopefully. If they flow around 350 next year, they can be done with the 824 within the 1st quarter of 2017 I think

 

Not even. We have a 5/month flow beginning in January, and it goes up 1 /month based on how many active CAs we add to the seniority list to a maximum of 8. Not many pilots think it will ever get above 7 though because I don't think this airline has a snowball's chance in hell of hiring the amount that management says it wants to. 2016 will likely be no more than 60-70 flows.

 

Just looking back seeing trends and projections from some naysayers... wondering how close they were/are to facts and projections. Nothing wrong with being a pessimist or cautious and hoping for the best.

Folks are quieter on the flow doubts. Schedule issues are being worked on. But still some doubters (not saying the person i'm quoting, just many others here on APC i've read their comments going back) as they spew negativitiy still today, even after their personal projections and cautious rhetoric are exceeded (Pay, Flow, QOL, schedule changes to come).

Old guard Kirby is gone, new blood pilot friendly AAG planners are onboard, optimistic that changes with schedules will occur.

I'm proud to be at ENY with a great pilot group, strong history of fighting the good fight for the INDUSTRY. Like many other newhires were glad to be here. Before the new announcments, it was very discouraging reading the negative posts on here. That is why my drum beats loud, optimistic and positive. I understand the distrust from many 6-10yr folks. I understand the negative mgmt culture that existed. I did not live it but i supported Eagle guys & gals the whole time. I read it all, i spoke to them on flts and at airports such as LaGuardia. But now we've seen positive light comming, positive changes occuring as mentioned by this OP from back in Dec 2015. The excited folks were knocked down or insulted, but were they wrong? No. Hindsight 20/20 huh.

Let ride this wave.... for as long as we can & move-up & out when its time. If the gravy train keeps flowing as projected let it... flow with it. Be the mentor to the new-hires you wish you had. I've heard how many of you were treated. Why repeate it? Be the change & mentor you sought & wish you had.

2.5 yr Upgrade or better, and 6months flow or better projected & actions taken to SUPPORT those claims.... I'll take it. Not doubt it.


To the negative vibe spewing profanity filled vermons (no insult, just couldnt think of better/appropriate words) I'd like your proof and trending facts against the currently obvious disposition.

To those interested or considering joining Envoy, come on come all, your welcomed, be the change you want to see in this industry. We need more good people. Envoy pilots have been through a lot. But things are changing for the better and changing faster than expected. Lots of bodies joining. I'd be happy to be your referal if your a good hearted person like me (;-), before you apply to Envoy, PM me, we can talk, network, etc., I'll help you out the best way i'm able also. $5k referal bounus should never go to waste.

 

By the way, I know of at least 1 FO in DFW E145 holding a line. April 2015 hire.

 

That's only because the schedules are so bad many people would rather sit reserve then a composite line with only 11 days off.