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09-20-2016 | 05:02 AM
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Just looking back seeing trends and projections from some naysayers... wondering how close they were/are to facts and projections. Nothing wrong with being a pessimist or cautious and hoping for the best.
Folks are quieter on the flow doubts. Schedule issues are being worked on. But still some doubters (not saying the person i'm quoting, just many others here on APC i've read their comments going back) as they spew negativitiy still today, even after their personal projections and cautious rhetoric are exceeded (Pay, Flow, QOL, schedule changes to come).
Old guard Kirby is gone, new blood pilot friendly AAG planners are onboard, optimistic that changes with schedules will occur.
I'm proud to be at ENY with a great pilot group, strong history of fighting the good fight for the INDUSTRY. Like many other newhires were glad to be here. Before the new announcments, it was very discouraging reading the negative posts on here. That is why my drum beats loud, optimistic and positive. I understand the distrust from many 6-10yr folks. I understand the negative mgmt culture that existed. I did not live it but i supported Eagle guys & gals the whole time. I read it all, i spoke to them on flts and at airports such as LaGuardia. But now we've seen positive light comming, positive changes occuring as mentioned by this OP from back in Dec 2015. The excited folks were knocked down or insulted, but were they wrong? No. Hindsight 20/20 huh.
Let ride this wave.... for as long as we can & move-up & out when its time. If the gravy train keeps flowing as projected let it... flow with it. Be the mentor to the new-hires you wish you had. I've heard how many of you were treated. Why repeate it? Be the change & mentor you sought & wish you had.
2.5 yr Upgrade or better, and 6months flow or better projected & actions taken to SUPPORT those claims.... I'll take it. Not doubt it.
To the negative vibe spewing profanity filled vermons (no insult, just couldnt think of better/appropriate words) I'd like your proof and trending facts against the currently obvious disposition.
To those interested or considering joining Envoy, come on come all, your welcomed, be the change you want to see in this industry. We need more good people. Envoy pilots have been through a lot. But things are changing for the better and changing faster than expected. Lots of bodies joining. I'd be happy to be your referal if your a good hearted person like me (;-), before you apply to Envoy, PM me, we can talk, network, etc., I'll help you out the best way i'm able also. $5k referal bounus should never go to waste.
Folks are quieter on the flow doubts. Schedule issues are being worked on. But still some doubters (not saying the person i'm quoting, just many others here on APC i've read their comments going back) as they spew negativitiy still today, even after their personal projections and cautious rhetoric are exceeded (Pay, Flow, QOL, schedule changes to come).
Old guard Kirby is gone, new blood pilot friendly AAG planners are onboard, optimistic that changes with schedules will occur.
I'm proud to be at ENY with a great pilot group, strong history of fighting the good fight for the INDUSTRY. Like many other newhires were glad to be here. Before the new announcments, it was very discouraging reading the negative posts on here. That is why my drum beats loud, optimistic and positive. I understand the distrust from many 6-10yr folks. I understand the negative mgmt culture that existed. I did not live it but i supported Eagle guys & gals the whole time. I read it all, i spoke to them on flts and at airports such as LaGuardia. But now we've seen positive light comming, positive changes occuring as mentioned by this OP from back in Dec 2015. The excited folks were knocked down or insulted, but were they wrong? No. Hindsight 20/20 huh.
Let ride this wave.... for as long as we can & move-up & out when its time. If the gravy train keeps flowing as projected let it... flow with it. Be the mentor to the new-hires you wish you had. I've heard how many of you were treated. Why repeate it? Be the change & mentor you sought & wish you had.
2.5 yr Upgrade or better, and 6months flow or better projected & actions taken to SUPPORT those claims.... I'll take it. Not doubt it.
To the negative vibe spewing profanity filled vermons (no insult, just couldnt think of better/appropriate words) I'd like your proof and trending facts against the currently obvious disposition.
To those interested or considering joining Envoy, come on come all, your welcomed, be the change you want to see in this industry. We need more good people. Envoy pilots have been through a lot. But things are changing for the better and changing faster than expected. Lots of bodies joining. I'd be happy to be your referal if your a good hearted person like me (;-), before you apply to Envoy, PM me, we can talk, network, etc., I'll help you out the best way i'm able also. $5k referal bounus should never go to waste.
Yes, it is great to be of positive mind but your statements are very over the top of what it is for a normal pilot that comes to work every day at Envoy. My friends that are still at Envoy do not paint the same picture as you do. The main problem there it seems is the schedules that work them like, how do you say, a rented mule. When you start early on the first day of your trip and finish late and only have two days off in between, it can wear on an hombre. Continue with this same schedule for many months and the pilot is burned out and has trouble as there are no time for relaxation.
Also, treatment of the pilots by the group of management is still a very big issue. It seems that they will leave no stone unturned if a pilot deviates from the rules in any manner there. Sick call it seems puts yourself on the radar and the group of management is eager to go after you.
Just some thoughts for you in your management office to consider.
09-20-2016 | 05:16 AM
#63
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My friend. I am very sure that you are not a pilot at Envoy. If you are indeed one of their pilots, you must work in the management office or the recruiter office.
Yes, it is great to be of positive mind but your statements are very over the top of what it is for a normal pilot that comes to work every day at Envoy. My friends that are still at Envoy do not paint the same picture as you do. The main problem there it seems is the schedules that work them like, how do you say, a rented mule. When you start early on the first day of your trip and finish late and only have two days off in between, it can wear on an hombre. Continue with this same schedule for many months and the pilot is burned out and has trouble as there are no time for relaxation.
Also, treatment of the pilots by the group of management is still a very big issue. It seems that they will leave no stone unturned if a pilot deviates from the rules in any manner there. Sick call it seems puts yourself on the radar and the group of management is eager to go after you.
Just some thoughts for you in your management office to consider.
Yes, it is great to be of positive mind but your statements are very over the top of what it is for a normal pilot that comes to work every day at Envoy. My friends that are still at Envoy do not paint the same picture as you do. The main problem there it seems is the schedules that work them like, how do you say, a rented mule. When you start early on the first day of your trip and finish late and only have two days off in between, it can wear on an hombre. Continue with this same schedule for many months and the pilot is burned out and has trouble as there are no time for relaxation.
Also, treatment of the pilots by the group of management is still a very big issue. It seems that they will leave no stone unturned if a pilot deviates from the rules in any manner there. Sick call it seems puts yourself on the radar and the group of management is eager to go after you.
Just some thoughts for you in your management office to consider.
09-20-2016 | 05:40 AM
#64
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Just looking back seeing trends and projections from some naysayers... wondering how close they were/are to facts and projections. Nothing wrong with being a pessimist or cautious and hoping for the best.
Folks are quieter on the flow doubts. Schedule issues are being worked on. But still some doubters (not saying the person i'm quoting, just many others here on APC i've read their comments going back) as they spew negativitiy still today, even after their personal projections and cautious rhetoric are exceeded (Pay, Flow, QOL, schedule changes to come).
Old guard Kirby is gone, new blood pilot friendly AAG planners are onboard, optimistic that changes with schedules will occur.
I'm proud to be at ENY with a great pilot group, strong history of fighting the good fight for the INDUSTRY. Like many other newhires were glad to be here. Before the new announcments, it was very discouraging reading the negative posts on here. That is why my drum beats loud, optimistic and positive. I understand the distrust from many 6-10yr folks. I understand the negative mgmt culture that existed. I did not live it but i supported Eagle guys & gals the whole time. I read it all, i spoke to them on flts and at airports such as LaGuardia. But now we've seen positive light comming, positive changes occuring as mentioned by this OP from back in Dec 2015. The excited folks were knocked down or insulted, but were they wrong? No. Hindsight 20/20 huh.
Let ride this wave.... for as long as we can & move-up & out when its time. If the gravy train keeps flowing as projected let it... flow with it. Be the mentor to the new-hires you wish you had. I've heard how many of you were treated. Why repeate it? Be the change & mentor you sought & wish you had.
2.5 yr Upgrade or better, and 6months flow or better projected & actions taken to SUPPORT those claims.... I'll take it. Not doubt it.
To the negative vibe spewing profanity filled vermons (no insult, just couldnt think of better/appropriate words) I'd like your proof and trending facts against the currently obvious disposition.
To those interested or considering joining Envoy, come on come all, your welcomed, be the change you want to see in this industry. We need more good people. Envoy pilots have been through a lot. But things are changing for the better and changing faster than expected. Lots of bodies joining. I'd be happy to be your referal if your a good hearted person like me (;-), before you apply to Envoy, PM me, we can talk, network, etc., I'll help you out the best way i'm able also. $5k referal bounus should never go to waste.
Folks are quieter on the flow doubts. Schedule issues are being worked on. But still some doubters (not saying the person i'm quoting, just many others here on APC i've read their comments going back) as they spew negativitiy still today, even after their personal projections and cautious rhetoric are exceeded (Pay, Flow, QOL, schedule changes to come).
Old guard Kirby is gone, new blood pilot friendly AAG planners are onboard, optimistic that changes with schedules will occur.
I'm proud to be at ENY with a great pilot group, strong history of fighting the good fight for the INDUSTRY. Like many other newhires were glad to be here. Before the new announcments, it was very discouraging reading the negative posts on here. That is why my drum beats loud, optimistic and positive. I understand the distrust from many 6-10yr folks. I understand the negative mgmt culture that existed. I did not live it but i supported Eagle guys & gals the whole time. I read it all, i spoke to them on flts and at airports such as LaGuardia. But now we've seen positive light comming, positive changes occuring as mentioned by this OP from back in Dec 2015. The excited folks were knocked down or insulted, but were they wrong? No. Hindsight 20/20 huh.
Let ride this wave.... for as long as we can & move-up & out when its time. If the gravy train keeps flowing as projected let it... flow with it. Be the mentor to the new-hires you wish you had. I've heard how many of you were treated. Why repeate it? Be the change & mentor you sought & wish you had.
2.5 yr Upgrade or better, and 6months flow or better projected & actions taken to SUPPORT those claims.... I'll take it. Not doubt it.
To the negative vibe spewing profanity filled vermons (no insult, just couldnt think of better/appropriate words) I'd like your proof and trending facts against the currently obvious disposition.
To those interested or considering joining Envoy, come on come all, your welcomed, be the change you want to see in this industry. We need more good people. Envoy pilots have been through a lot. But things are changing for the better and changing faster than expected. Lots of bodies joining. I'd be happy to be your referal if your a good hearted person like me (;-), before you apply to Envoy, PM me, we can talk, network, etc., I'll help you out the best way i'm able also. $5k referal bounus should never go to waste.
09-20-2016 | 05:45 AM
#65
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Ha, whatever man, at least u admitted you don't work here. I asked for a couple of PVDs last year, got em (but hey, that was last year.) Also called in sick, over 5 times, no witch hunt against me, so I don't know (I did bring doctor's note). U gotta know how to play the game, that goes for ANY job.
09-20-2016 | 06:18 AM
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09-20-2016 | 06:20 AM
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You are right. Ole Skyvector said in the very first post of "New Envoy Information" that 300 would flow this year (2016) and 750 over the next two years alone. It's definitely good for those who have flowed but it proves the rosy predictions of recruiting and management are just "feel good" numbers to keep hope alive.
09-20-2016 | 06:20 AM
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The flows were jammed up by letter T pilots returning. We weren't supposed to send any flows during those months but some still made it over. The 176 number isn't bad considering it should have been much lower.
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