Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox

I'm a line pilot here. I'm as frustrated at the games they play as anyone else. There's a difference between being frustrated vs spewing hatred of the airline you work for. One is just typical pilot bi tching. The other needs to consider finding a different job. I've worked with toxic people like that. Trapped in a flight deck with an angry ranter makes for a sh it trip, and these are the guys that FO's call in sick to avoid.

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox

All the stuff that happens in this forum, and people are worried about language? There are considerably less civil things happening. It'd be like getting a ticket for jaywalking while an assault takes place across the street.

Originally Posted by SpreadEagle

I would put a little more value in this data than in RW's predictions, with the exception of the total pilot staffing chart. I don't think Envoy is going to be able to retain 360 new hires for the year. I also believe that if the company were to offer more money, it wouldn't be for pilots already on property. They will try to entice more new hires with some sort of creative stepped bonus plan. The point being, there is absolutely no reason to come to envoy right now, unless you want to live in DFW or ORD, possibly...? There are other carriers that have bases in those locations offering shorter upgrade times with better QOL. We need to have some serious attrition for the QOL of life to get better for our own pilots. This flying 68 hour average hard line value and having 45% of your ENTIRE pilot group on reserve is RIDICULOUS! This just shows how overstaffed we have been and that the company should've furloughed. Unfortunately that would've activated the 100% flow to AA clause, something obviously AA did not want. I can see how reserve might be attractive for you if you are senior enough on reserve and want to get paid 75 hours a month for not working. This is a terrible organization to work for, they enjoy blowing smoke up the a$$#$$ of the pilot group and then laughing at them behind closed doors. Make no mistake, the management here absolutely despises their labor force. Very evident with the number of disciplinary terminations, constant contractual abuse, paired with the "fly it and grieve it," attitude.

I don't know how many times, or how many ways one could tell potential new hires to:

"STAY AWAY FROM ENVOY AIRLINES! YOU WILL HATE AND LOATHE YOURSELF FOR WORKING HERE!"

but I guess some people just have to learn the hard way...

Originally Posted by adspilot

Poor guy. I have been here about two years now and on RSV in DFW. I flew less than 30 hours last month and I got paid for almost 90 hours of flying. I can't remember the last time I did a 4 day trip. I am home an average of 23 nights out of the month. In all my time on reserve I have only had them once go outside the contract by junior manning me into a day off. Which worked out better for me because I was trying to pick up OT on that day anyways. I go to work when they call. I call in sick when I am sick. I really enjoy working here.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

You have to admit though that the cumulative effect of flying about 350 hours/year isn't helping your competitive ranking with your peers who might be flying 800 at other regionals.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky

Leave it to you to find the worst of any scenario. No, you're not a bitter old man, you just have opinions.

If they fly the reserves 85 hrs a month, it's abuse. They hardly fly them at all and now one can't be competitive. Nothing but negative from you my friend, any everyone can see it. The FACT is, there is enough reserve flying that those who WANT to fly can proffer for trips and fly. Those who DO NOT WANT to fly, can stay at home, get paid for it and pick up OT on their days off and get paid as he has described above. Sounds like a win to win for all to me.

To put you into perspective, can anyone here imagine spending all day trashing their old flight school or charter operator. But that is what are buddy eaglefly does. Instead of moving on to bigger and better things, he spends all his time trashing and finding whatever negative thing he can find about his former employer. They must of have messed you up good eaglefly. Bill Murray from Caddyshack comes to mind. Kind of pathetic.

Originally Posted by ag386

Got to be honest. Working at Envoy on reserve blows. Actually, working at Envoy period blows. Can't quite understand the cheerleading squad on here.