Envoy: Direct Path to American Airlines
04-08-2016 | 06:37 PM
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It would be good news for imminent 824's to have some slots with Letter T's, but I would wonder how long that might last, if that occurs. In all likelihood, the LT rate won't be linear and will have ebbs and flows and even if they do trickle some flows in initially, it MAY be they would periodically stop IF periodic surges raise the percentage rate. I think it might be a month to month thing, but any flows concurrent with LT's would be better then none. Of course, any Envoy flows would also mean other WO flows as well.
04-08-2016 | 06:42 PM
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It would be good news for imminent 824's to have some slots with Letter T's, but I would wonder how long that might last, if that occurs. In all likelihood, the LT rate won't be linear and will have ebbs and flows and even if they do trickle some flows in initially, it MAY be they would periodically stop IF periodic surges raise the percentage rate. I think it might be a month to month thing, but any flows concurrent with LT's would be better then none. Of course, any Envoy flows would also mean other WO flows as well.
04-08-2016 | 06:50 PM
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You forgot to include IF the US economy collapses, IF the U.S.A. turns communist and IF a meteor destroys the earth. Like it or not, good things are happing at envoy, despite your best efforts. I would guess, that at this point in your life, you are getting use to not measuring up to your goals.
04-08-2016 | 06:53 PM
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Theoretically yes, but I doubt that is the message they'd send to the other WO's. The belief by some that Envoy is special among the WO's in AAG's eyes is misguided IMO.
04-08-2016 | 07:03 PM
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If they flow for envoy they will also flow for the step children as well. DP needs to make the flow appear to be working.
07-17-2017 | 03:15 PM
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All those old threads have long been debunked in your absence. The math doesn't add up hence why we are always reliving this topic.
I think it is obvious though that if Envoy can't hire the 40 pilots per month needed to support the flow numbers you are projecting (again projecting, let's not forget envoy pilots flowing today are 16 year employees), then the flow falls apart.
I think it is obvious though that if Envoy can't hire the 40 pilots per month needed to support the flow numbers you are projecting (again projecting, let's not forget envoy pilots flowing today are 16 year employees), then the flow falls apart.
Results:
Profit sharing back
Among the Highest starting pay in the industry, $40k more than it used to be
Retention bonuses all around
Critical coverage pay
Hotels in base
Commuter hotels
OT hotels. (How many guys still have crashpads anymore?)
They've been honoring the flow, and at many points well exceeded the 50% requirement.
AAG has been much better at doing what they say than AMR ever was.
I'd still like to see RSV rules fairly negotiated and better schedules. Every regional has its issues. Ours are minor in comparison at this point. Envoy is a great place for a new pilot starting out. For us older guys who've been around longer the changes are very hard to adjust to, however we are still better than many other places.
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07-17-2017 | 03:53 PM
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If you are brand new doing airport standby, or so junior on reserve you can't bid any open trip at all you will use up your commuter hotels. Most everybody else has ditched their crashpads. That's fact, and is a huge pay raise itself.
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