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Old 04-07-2016 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TrinityDawn
According to AAG's announced fleet plan for this year, ENY's MEC says they are set to exceed scope limitations in the number of RJ's by the end of this year. Unless APA grants scope relief (which I doubt) there's no way those 90 options will ever be exercised. Embraer is also going to be transitioning to the E2 version, which has a MTOW outside scope limitations as well.

We might see some of the Compass and Republic planes come to Envoy to replace 140/145's, but won't see any of the options unless something drastic occurs.
True, but the Alaska/Virgin merger will inflate codeshare ability and this area has some potential for serious exploitation. I have some uneasy concerns about this situation and so should anyone already at AA or planning on coming here and being junior in the future.

Just a thought.........
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Old 04-07-2016 | 03:34 PM
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That would definitely be an option, but so is management failing ENY again.
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Old 04-07-2016 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I have some uneasy concerns about this situation and so should anyone already at AA or planning on coming here and being junior in the future.
Not a peep out of eaglefly about the flow until he flowed, then it was doomed to fail. Now everything is OK if you are already at AA but anyone else, doom and gloom. Anyone else see this trend with eaglefly's predictions? It's like a "I'm on board, pull up the ladder" psychosis.
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Old 04-07-2016 | 04:04 PM
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Ummm.....no.

EagleFly has consistently said he hopes the flow works as advertised and wishes the best for everyone at Envoy while stating well-placed reservations about DP's flow scheme (and rational reasons for same), to which you and a few other Envoy zealots have taken great exception and repeatedly attempted to gang rape him for daring to be skeptical about DP promises. You have consistently and repeatedly attempted to smear him and misrepresent both his motives and his arguments while doing so.

You should be ashamed of yourself FlameNSky and I'm embarrassed for you.
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Old 04-07-2016 | 04:41 PM
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Whether you agree with eaglefly or not, you have certainly fueled his fire by paying him so much attention.
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Old 04-07-2016 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TrinityDawn
According to AAG's announced fleet plan for this year, ENY's MEC says they are set to exceed scope limitations in the number of RJ's by the end of this year. Unless APA grants scope relief (which I doubt) there's no way those 90 options will ever be exercised. Embraer is also going to be transitioning to the E2 version, which has a MTOW outside scope limitations as well.

We might see some of the Compass and Republic planes come to Envoy to replace 140/145's, but won't see any of the options unless something drastic occurs.
I think aircraft will be shuffled. Seems to be DP's motis operandi.
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Old 04-07-2016 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
Ummm.....no.

EagleFly has consistently said he hopes the flow works as advertised and wishes the best for everyone at Envoy while stating well-placed reservations about DP's flow scheme (and rational reasons for same), to which you and a few other Envoy zealots have taken great exception and repeatedly attempted to gang rape him for daring to be skeptical about DP promises. You have consistently and repeatedly attempted to smear him and misrepresent both his motives and his arguments while doing so.

You should be ashamed of yourself FlameNSky and I'm embarrassed for you.
Embracing revisionist history is about all that's left with him. Obviously few, if any fall for it outside the circle. I'm still waiting for him to back-up his claims I said it would take Chocolate Charlie or present new-hires to flow to AA.in 10 years. I'm also still waiting for someone to do us all a favor and post Envoy ALPA's recent official statement of Flows transitioning during Letter T return.

You never get that stuff, only this kind of stuff. I think they've passed the point of diminishing returns and actually HURT Envoy recruitment now, but their egos won't let them stop.

Oh well, onward and downward......
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Old 04-08-2016 | 05:31 AM
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It's Friday!!! Let's hear some good news.
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Old 04-08-2016 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
Ummm.....no.

EagleFly has consistently said he hopes the flow works as advertised and wishes the best for everyone at Envoy while stating well-placed reservations about DP's flow scheme (and rational reasons for same), to which you and a few other Envoy zealots have taken great exception and repeatedly attempted to gang rape him for daring to be skeptical about DP promises. You have consistently and repeatedly attempted to smear him and misrepresent both his motives and his arguments while doing so.

You should be ashamed of yourself FlameNSky and I'm embarrassed for you.
So says a SkyWest Pilot who comes to envoy threads to trash a company he doesn't work for. Considering its source, your embarrassment is laughable. I would rather be the guy with the sports car (big truck, airplane, boat) than the awkward kid from across the street that always stares at it and runs across the street to constantly talk about it. Let us not forget, eaglefly is only at AA because of the flow "scheme". If I am shameful, you are pathetic. Good Luck in your job search. Let me know if you need a personal recommendation.
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Old 04-08-2016 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TrinityDawn
According to AAG's announced fleet plan for this year, ENY's MEC says they are set to exceed scope limitations in the number of RJ's by the end of this year. Unless APA grants scope relief (which I doubt) there's no way those 90 options will ever be exercised. Embraer is also going to be transitioning to the E2 version, which has a MTOW outside scope limitations as well.

We might see some of the Compass and Republic planes come to Envoy to replace 140/145's, but won't see any of the options unless something drastic occurs.
This probably fits in better over here and builds on some of the numbers going forward

As it currently stands AAG is allowed a regional fleet of 75% of its mainline narrowbody fleet. In addition, from 2016 onward 40% of AAG mainline narrowbody fleet may include RJ's from 66-76 seats with total count of all RJ's including small and large RJ's must fit within that 75% total.

Assuming the MD-80 fleet is parked, the 757 is reduced down to roughly 25 internationally configured models and all A321 and B738 deliveries are taken plus the 20 E190s in limbo at the end of 2017 you finish with a mainline narrowbody fleet of
A319: 125
A320: 50ish (some early models have been retired)
A321: 220
B738: 305
B757: 25
E190: 20
Total: 720

Taking that final number multiplied by 75% you get an allowed total RJ count of 540 with 288 of those allowed to be between 66-76 seats. Today's RJ count with outstanding orders accounted for include

165: E70 E75 operated between Compass, RAH and Envoy
118: CR9 operated between Mesa and PSA
69: CR7 operated by SKW, PSA and ENY (22 currently count as large RJ)
118: EMB 145 operated by ExpressJet, TSA and ENY
132: CR2 operated by SKW, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin and PSA
11: DH8-300 operated by PDT (only 300's count toward total)

283 large RJ's if 22 CR7s are reconfigured and 613 total RJs. While I agree that the large RJ fleet is growing there is going to be some serious pain among small RJ operators as AAG removes small RJs to stay within total RJ fleet count. I'll let everyone else speculate where those 60-80 removals come from. AAG's plan is no different than Delta or United in regards to RJs they're just a few years behind.

How the A320NEO and B737MAX play into those numbers or if CR7 and E70 eventually get removed to allow more E75 or CR9 options to be executed is speculation at this point
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