Being selective seems to be working. With the dismal new hire numbers, it's obvious that Envoy is hiring "AA" pilots.

I noticed you in the Expressjet thread "selling" Envoy. I thought you limited yourself to posting in only the Envoy thread.....since you work here.

 

Merely telling a new-hire about other options for ORD. Is there something wrong with that? I notice you don't post at all in the Allegiant thread, why is that? Buyers remorse?

And believe me, I'm not selling envoy. Whether or not we get new-hires really has no bearing on when I flow. I'm slated to be gone in less than two years. The only reason I post is to expose trolls like yourself who clearly have ulterior motives for not wanting anybody to come to envoy and to give real intel on envoy. I still can't figure out your deal. If I had a new job, why would I care about what has happened at my previous company? I have many friends who have moved on to bigger and better things and do they care about what happens at envoy? Sure, they're curious. But they concentrate on themselves and their careers. Not the careers of others.

 

Hey Ag386 watch your fuel load. I heard that Allegiant is cutting down on it. Man you must really miss Envoy, Lol!!!

 

Nice way to restart the thread.

Bored?

 

Second year pay is more like 105k maybe a bit more if you have a block on Group II, to hit 120k you need to be on the 190CA position.

Still good but no where near your numbers. Second year pay is I think around $112 or it was for me. Third year at min guarantee long call is around $118k.

 

I'm not looking at Group I pay, only Group II. 3% increase per year means that second year group II pay on 1January 2019 is $126.54. First year is $84.45.

 

2019? Wow, talk about counting your chickens before they hatch.

Not to mention that 3% raise is just to keep all the rates even with inflation, so while the number sounds bigger than it is today, in relative terms, it's not.

 

Ok Captain Obvious, not trying to be a smartas but the entire context of the post was for a new-hire to envoy. No matter how optimistic you are, a new-hire today isn't flowing to AA prior to 2019. Make sense? Sheesh...

 

Listening to you really gets old. I don't know what kind of juice you are on, but you have to wise up. Envoy isn't the real American Eagle and it sure isn't some happy place like you are trying to make it out to be.

I was hired in late 2000 and I still have over 175 guys between me and my turn to flow. I'm 824 which helps me with not sweating things too much in regards to finally getting out of here. However, with the Letter T returns I'm not expecting to flow until December of this year at the earliest. Possibly even into the 1st quarter of next year. Since I'm this close, I'm sticking it out to flow. I've got apps out as a backup but even so. No calls. Applied to UA, DL, AS. No one else, yet. I've got a clean record, nearly three thousand TPIC and some volunteer stuff on the resume but still, the phone isn't ringing. I will say I haven't put in a huge effort yet because of my position, I do think that I should be out of here by this time next year. And it can't come soon enough.

I have to be honest and say this place sucks. Worse than it ever has since the day I was hired. The management here will tell you one thing and turn around and do something totally different. They have zero concern for you. I'm a commuter and the schedules are absolutely terrible and have been for months on end. All of this baloney about upgrading quick and flowing in 6 years is just more of the same from a management that gets its kicks from duping the poor saps who fly their planes. The contract is violated repeatedly and God help you if you are on reserve. We have had five bases closed on us in the past 4 years and Boston closed sometime before all of this. I commute now because I have to. I'm not yanking my kids out of school to move to DFW or ORD for Envoy.

I personally believe that the company will flow the 824 out since that was an arbitrated agreement. If I were on the list beyond that, I would seriously be looking elsewhere and networking like there is no tomorrow. We can't get any new hires to speak of and at some point the rubber has to meet the road and there have to be pilots to fly the planes that are left. PSA obviously can't even staff enough to take the rest of our CRJ's. One thing I can guarantee you, this management doesn't hesitate to violate our contract and they will not hesitate on screwing with the flow if they need their planes in the air. Believe me, they don't give a hoot about what any Envoy pilot thinks and the union has no teeth and will just give in to whatever the company decides.

If you didn't get the picture above, life here is just about awful. The company could fix it but they never have before and they won't this time either. They shot themselves in the foot running off about 1200 pilots in about 4 years. They see they need them now but they will never admit they were wrong. Who will suffer for it? The poor guys after the 824 on the list when they realize they might be stuck at Envoy for a long time to come.

 

Hmmm... another long time listener, first time poster with the same message. Isn't this the same way ag386 "introduced" himself. Tell me one guy that thought after Parker worked so hard to take away Profit Sharing from Mainline and Eagle that he would turn around and give Profit Sharing voluntarily! I never in a million years would have thought that would happen. That is the thing about the future, one can speculate all kinds of crazy scenarios. The flow is contractual, whether the easy way or the hard way, it will work. We even have a precedence set when it come to honoring the flow.