Envoy: Direct Path to American Airlines
04-01-2016 | 10:11 AM
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This board is largely useless when you have the same two trolls posting over and over all of these assumptions they are making that have no basis whatsoever in fact. And to top it off, neither one of them work here.
Cujo's posting is correct. The math works. Someone who could only get hired at Allegiant, a severe downgrade for an Envoy FO by the way (might as well go to Great Lakes), and someone who slipped through the hiring process cracks by flowing over to AA from a long ago flow agreement very obviously cannot do math correctly.
AAG is truly in the process of making this a cradle to grave program. Their plans are to have Envoy as the premiere regional and the model by which all other carriers follow suit. We are already 95% there. A few adjustments and tweaks are being made but as you can see, the FLOW WORKS. It's been working. Not like when eaglefly was hired and only had to do an "Eagle" interview. Now, the interview process is based exactly on the the AA interview footprint so that there are no longer anyone "slipping through the cracks."
Keeping the CRJ's indefinitely, EMB 140's and 145's returning to the property, and continued delivery of 175's are setting Envoy up for success. We just announced 87 upgrades last month. You can expect everything management has announced in the past to come to fruition.
Cujo's posting is correct. The math works. Someone who could only get hired at Allegiant, a severe downgrade for an Envoy FO by the way (might as well go to Great Lakes), and someone who slipped through the hiring process cracks by flowing over to AA from a long ago flow agreement very obviously cannot do math correctly.
AAG is truly in the process of making this a cradle to grave program. Their plans are to have Envoy as the premiere regional and the model by which all other carriers follow suit. We are already 95% there. A few adjustments and tweaks are being made but as you can see, the FLOW WORKS. It's been working. Not like when eaglefly was hired and only had to do an "Eagle" interview. Now, the interview process is based exactly on the the AA interview footprint so that there are no longer anyone "slipping through the cracks."
Keeping the CRJ's indefinitely, EMB 140's and 145's returning to the property, and continued delivery of 175's are setting Envoy up for success. We just announced 87 upgrades last month. You can expect everything management has announced in the past to come to fruition.
04-01-2016 | 10:14 AM
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BTW, since you claim not to be an Envoy pilot, why do phrase this post this way ?
My B.S. detector always redlines from your posts .
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04-01-2016 | 10:16 AM
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One last time
Both you and eaglefly should go read all the old threads. The math has been explained repeatedly already. The math hasn't changed, in spite of common core.
Do a little research yourself; all the info is out there already.
I mostly now only post on lost weekends at work. Home time is now reserved for family. If that's disappearing then so be it. Try asking before making more false assumptions.
You need to get the wax out of your ears or take reading comprehension classes. Crusader and I agree more than disagree. my opinion on the 2.5 is and has been public; you just choose to ignore it, and selectively don't quote posts that don't meet your talking point.
The majority of Envoy pilots can recognize people to be ignored.
You and eaglefly made the team.
Bubye
Both you and eaglefly should go read all the old threads. The math has been explained repeatedly already. The math hasn't changed, in spite of common core.
Do a little research yourself; all the info is out there already.
I mostly now only post on lost weekends at work. Home time is now reserved for family. If that's disappearing then so be it. Try asking before making more false assumptions.
You need to get the wax out of your ears or take reading comprehension classes. Crusader and I agree more than disagree. my opinion on the 2.5 is and has been public; you just choose to ignore it, and selectively don't quote posts that don't meet your talking point.
The majority of Envoy pilots can recognize people to be ignored.
You and eaglefly made the team.
Bubye
End of story here.
04-01-2016 | 10:37 AM
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Hey sayalt,
ENVOY MEME.jpg
We are really flattered by all this attention you rain down on us! Don't you have a tea party rally to attend? Maybe a Confederate flag to knit? Or just stare lovingly at that Trump poster you have on your room's ceiling.
ENVOY MEME.jpg
We are really flattered by all this attention you rain down on us! Don't you have a tea party rally to attend? Maybe a Confederate flag to knit? Or just stare lovingly at that Trump poster you have on your room's ceiling.
04-01-2016 | 10:52 AM
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10 more CA vacancies just announced. Not earth shattering, but after the months and months of 0, it's welcome news. Especially on the heels of last month's announcement of 80+ upgrades.
I consider myself a middle of the road kinda guy and like to interject my perspective from time to time. With the FO retention bonus, movement getting people off reserve, commuter hotels, free iPads, and OT pay, things are much better now than when I started 3 years ago.
Don't get me wrong, there's still a lot to fix. Our reserve system is broken and should have been fixed long ago. The schedules have long sits, are low time, and could be much better. The flow is at least 3-4 years away for me and a lot could happen in that time.
However, I think being at a wholly owned will work out well. As regionals are unable to find pilots, current pilots become a more important asset to keep.
We were beaten down and forced into a concessionary contract just 1.5 years ago. During that time, it was obvious they wanted people to leave, and many did. The tone has changed, and it's not just words, this place feels different now. It could change again, but the way everyone is hiring, I don't think it's likely.
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I consider myself a middle of the road kinda guy and like to interject my perspective from time to time. With the FO retention bonus, movement getting people off reserve, commuter hotels, free iPads, and OT pay, things are much better now than when I started 3 years ago.
Don't get me wrong, there's still a lot to fix. Our reserve system is broken and should have been fixed long ago. The schedules have long sits, are low time, and could be much better. The flow is at least 3-4 years away for me and a lot could happen in that time.
However, I think being at a wholly owned will work out well. As regionals are unable to find pilots, current pilots become a more important asset to keep.
We were beaten down and forced into a concessionary contract just 1.5 years ago. During that time, it was obvious they wanted people to leave, and many did. The tone has changed, and it's not just words, this place feels different now. It could change again, but the way everyone is hiring, I don't think it's likely.
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04-01-2016 | 10:52 AM
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Hey sayalt,
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We are really flattered by all this attention you rain down on us! Don't you have a tea party rally to attend? Maybe a Confederate flag to knit? Or just stare lovingly at that Trump poster you have on your room's ceiling.
Attachment 2779
We are really flattered by all this attention you rain down on us! Don't you have a tea party rally to attend? Maybe a Confederate flag to knit? Or just stare lovingly at that Trump poster you have on your room's ceiling.
04-01-2016 | 11:03 AM
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10 more upgrades a week after the 87 awards. Next class rumored to be full (don't have numbers, sorry.). The quicker you get in the better. The flow goes to a lower ratio for anybody hired past DOS which would have been a little over a year ago. So conceivably, waiting a month to get hired could cost you more then a month to flow. I believe PDT has this same issue. PSA isn't even worth mentioning lol
04-01-2016 | 11:04 AM
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From: Downward-Facing Dog Pose
The smell of desperation runs very strong through all the Envoy threads. It's very sad.
Crappy schedules, long sits, forever reserves, low pay, etc...
...but hey, you have been promised a flow to the worst mainline carrier out there by the least trustworthy CEO in the airline industry.
Wheee!
Crappy schedules, long sits, forever reserves, low pay, etc...
...but hey, you have been promised a flow to the worst mainline carrier out there by the least trustworthy CEO in the airline industry.
Wheee!
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04-01-2016 | 11:46 AM
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The smell of desperation runs very strong through all the Envoy threads. It's very sad.
Crappy schedules, long sits, forever reserves, low pay, etc...
...but hey, you have been promised a flow to the worst mainline carrier out there by the least trustworthy CEO in the airline industry.
Wheee!
Crappy schedules, long sits, forever reserves, low pay, etc...
...but hey, you have been promised a flow to the worst mainline carrier out there by the least trustworthy CEO in the airline industry.
Wheee!
As for worst legacy airline? Even though you're a self-proclaimed finance wizard I'm going to throw some rough numbers at you. 2nd year group 2 pay in the 130's making 76 hours/month = 120k/year. Obviously this doesn't include anything you pick up over the 76, whether it be line value or OT. Add on 16% direct contribution to your 401k. That's 140k/year for second year pay. Plus any profit sharing. Yeah, it's really terrible over there. In fact, I just ran into a friend who flowed last year and he is happy as a clam on the 73. Living in base helps but that's besides the point.
Not that I give a damn about Skywest, but heard from multiple sources that it's tough (not impossible) to get on with United due to them not wanting to poach their own feed. Whether it's true or not, I couldn't really care. It was just interesting to hear. Good luck to you Sir.
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