Envoy new $15K signing bonus
#21
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How much is the 2nd year pay cut once the bonus vaporizes ?
Perhaps it would also be useful to calculate a pilots earnings over 4 years as an F/O (the conservative estimate to captain at Envoy) at Envoy based on 75 hours and compare the 4 year figure with other regionals ?
Perhaps it would also be useful to calculate a pilots earnings over 4 years as an F/O (the conservative estimate to captain at Envoy) at Envoy based on 75 hours and compare the 4 year figure with other regionals ?
They are going to have to do something.
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Well, that is hopeful speculation. In the interim, a 4 year calculation of Envoy total earnings compared to other regionals would seem to be helpful in providing direct facts for comparison. Of course, other regionals have upgrades mush faster then 4 years, but a straight comparison of serving 4 years as an F/O at various regionals would be worthwhile.
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Well, that is hopeful speculation. In the interim, a 4 year calculation of Envoy total earnings compared to other regionals would seem to be helpful in providing direct facts for comparison. Of course, other regionals have upgrades mush faster then 4 years, but a straight comparison of serving 4 years as an F/O at various regionals would be worthwhile.
In the end AAG will get their metered attrition at the top but it'll cost them some coin to stop the uncontrollable churn on the bottom. When that happens is the question.
#25
It worked on eaglefly. He gave AMR almost 25 years slumming it at Eagle before he was finally moved over to AA. That accounts for a great deal of his personality that we all know and love.
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For the most part PSA, PDT and Envoy mgt have found a workable solution for predictable CA attrition. I'm sure you can partially vouch for this but your list of realistic choices outside of waiting for the flow was probably pretty short as time went on. Regardless of which WO you can predict CA attrition within a couple of bodies each month. FOs are a whole different animal. They don't have enough invested to be either loyal or enamored by some of the side benefits that do come with WO airlines. At this stage in the game they are rightfully money driven. Watching AAG nickel their way towards endeavor and republic levels is painful but will eventually happen.
In the end AAG will get their metered attrition at the top but it'll cost them some coin to stop the uncontrollable churn on the bottom. When that happens is the question.
In the end AAG will get their metered attrition at the top but it'll cost them some coin to stop the uncontrollable churn on the bottom. When that happens is the question.
Some will then jump to LCC's also losing pilots to legacies including AA, while others remain frozen and unable to make a decision and wallow in their own misery. Bottom line I think is that the WO's could be a bust, especially if they have no choice but to consolidate (AKA burning the furniture to heat the house) which means on top of all that, a diluted flow for those that think their carrier is somehow "special" in the eyes of AAG or should be.
Instability breeds uncertainty and uncertainty breeds instability. It's a nasty catch-22, for sure.
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I can only image what your personality will be like after another 6-7 years in your slum considering where it is today. Good Luck !
#28
About 200 numbers to go, I like my chances. Maybe when I get over there, you can give me a tour of the crew room and tell me the secret to moving on after Eagle.
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Sure you do. It would be a waste of time telling you secrets as we both know you'll be posting here well after you leave Envoy, if you pass training that is.
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