Originally Posted by BizJet

I know there are a lot of these vs threads, however with the deluge of information it's hard to compare the two.

I'm an ex XJT guy looking at getting back into the rat race. I've been trying to decide between PSA and Envoy based on my current residence.

Envoy:
121 Preferred Interview. E.g. no tech or system questions. HR only.
Already 145 Typed
DFW has 10+ flights daily from my current residence with almost 100% schedule certainty.
ORD has 3/4 during the travel season going to only 1 floater during the winter.
Reserve looks like it sucks on the 145. Almost three years!!?? Also I'm not to kosher on the whole JM'ing nonsense.
175 isn't possible as I'm very young. The recruiter told me it's age based in class and based on my age it's practically impossible.
I refuse to commute or move to LGA. That's at best a two leg commute. Which I did at XJT and it sucked the life out of me.
CRJ is going away in 2017/18.
Upgrade is about 5 years??

PSA:
Full interview as I didn't meet their 121 requirement.
I'd have to move to base unless I got CLT out of the gate.
CLT has about 3 daily flights depending on the month.
SAP once I'm R1.
Reserve is under a year depending on base. R1 right under a year and dropping at the DAY junior base.
No reserve BS if I've read the threads correctly.
Upgrade in about 2.

Basically, Envoy is the best for commuting and PSA is the best for short reserve and SAP. I'd love to have the best of both worlds but that's fantasy.

Originally Posted by Duck Sausage

PSA ftw nuff said except whack bases but that's just how it is. Commute and know this isn't your last stop. Unless you're old.. then I don't really have much to say to help ya out.. if you're from a kush 135/91k job stay there if you make a bunch of money and home every night because this part of the aviation world gets tough on the qol period wherever you go.. whether you commute or not you're only saving like 2-3 hours at home don't let them fool you.

Originally Posted by buddies8

8.6 million pilot pay cut coming 2019 to envoy if pilots do not accept pbs.

Originally Posted by DuckSausage

whether you commute or not you're only saving like 2-3 hours at home don't let them fool you.

Originally Posted by Binksy

If only this were true. Commuting means hoping to catch that one flight you really want and need at the beginning and end of every single trip, every week. And if you don't make that one, scrambling to catch Plan B. Sometimes that will mean getting home a day later and sleeping in a crew room. Or you may have to come in the night before to start a trip with an early show. Do either of those every week coming and going and it gets old real quick. Not to mention if you are on reserve, you have to be in base for five days typically and they may not use you once. That means you are stuck sitting around a crash pad (which you are paying for btw = less income) bored and wishing you were home.

Live in base and you never have to check a flight load again. You never have to check the weather to see if a flight is going to cancel. You never have to use a day off to get to work because of an early show the next day. When you are on reserve, you sit at home, or play golf, or
go fishing, or see your family, or run a business, or whatever - you're HOME. Trust me, commuting means a heck of a lot more than 2-3 hours.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

In the past 2 years I can count on one hand the number of times I've missed a flight. And I have never had to stay a night in base after a trip ended. And sleeping in crew rooms is for FAs, pilots at the WOs have hotel money. Even when I was flying a build-up line, my trips at PSA were commutable out of CLT. Commuting is better for my quality of life. 5 minutes from the beach, 7-8 flights every day (and that's just on AA), no state income and much lower cost of living compared to living in base. Reserve would of been better living in base, but I was only on reserve for a few months. Go somewhere with short reserve times and it will be a moot point.