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Old 11-26-2016 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
8.6 million pilot pay cut coming 2019 to envoy if pilots do not accept pbs.
Why is that? That seems kinda steep.

PBS was introduced at XJT and I loved it. Mainly because I was reserve and I could play with the system to see what days off I should bid. I could see where it could hurt lineholders as XJT was still doing line bidding off excel like spreadsheets.
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Old 11-26-2016 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BizJet
Why is that?
Because it is in our contract, because that's how much savings they think they'll get with PBS. Our last contract passed because management threatened to shut down the entire airline if we didn't vote yes. It took over a year of fighting and threats and 2 pilot votes but it eventually passed.

For the record the company's savings over the 10 year deal was 0.1% of one quarter's profits at the time. And they were supposedly willing to shutter the airline over that.
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Old 11-26-2016 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
Because it is in our contract, because that's how much savings they think they'll get with PBS. Our last contract passed because management threatened to shut down the entire airline if we didn't vote yes. It took over a year of fighting and threats and 2 pilot votes but it eventually passed.

For the record the company's savings over the 10 year deal was 0.1% of one quarter's profits at the time. And they were supposedly willing to shutter the airline over that.
Ah I see. Yeah PBS had a clear line of love/hate between the lineholders and reserve guys at XJT. I actually forgot to bid one month and ended up with the best schedule I had ever seen up to that point. It's also how I discovered that the 3AM reserve call out was a hidden gem.
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Old 11-27-2016 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd
It's not bad at a WO. I did a 2-3 leg commute to ROA and CHO for 4 years. Now it's 1 leg usually and it's easy as pie. As I've stated before, even my wife has commuted most months to hang out in base with me on short stretches of time off. I have a dedicated airport car and it's like a little adventure. Meanwhile, we live where we want, low taxes, and I've paid down 30% of my mortgage with my triple premium and training efforts this year.
Might work for you now. But if you plan on having kids your wife won't be flying out for rendezvous she'll be stuck at home watching the kids by herself, while your shacked up wasting time doing reserve or lost days in the middle of no where.

Live in base, and bid reserve and it's practically a part time job most of your career. Either you don't know what your missing or your kidding yourself.
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Old 11-28-2016 | 05:06 AM
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definitely would be tough with kids. If you can live in base then go for it. I just think commuting is the nature of the beast. What happens when you move to base and your kids are in middle school with a good church to attend and huge network and you get snagged by a major. New base and another relocation?
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Old 11-28-2016 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by slinger
Wasn't that just one guy? I thought that it's really like half a year or more (maybe not LGA).
I'm not totally sure, just asking.
The most junior guy got it yes, but so did someone 2 senior to him and so on up the list. Their lines are brutal for sure but trip trading and such can improve them. Dallas has longer reserve times but should drop. Lga is anyone's guess.
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