Envoy or PSA
11-25-2016 | 07:50 AM
#131
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In the past 2 years I can count on one hand the number of times I've missed a flight. And I have never had to stay a night in base after a trip ended. And sleeping in crew rooms is for FAs, pilots at the WOs have hotel money. Even when I was flying a build-up line, my trips at PSA were commutable out of CLT. Commuting is better for my quality of life. 5 minutes from the beach, 7-8 flights every day (and that's just on AA), no state income and much lower cost of living compared to living in base. Reserve would of been better living in base, but I was only on reserve for a few months. Go somewhere with short reserve times and it will be a moot point.
Even being generous let's say you spend four hours on each end of your trips waiting on the flight and then actually flying into or out of base. That's eight hours per trip. 4 times a month is 32 hours a month minimum. 12 months a year and you're looking at just under 400 hours a year, and that's best case scenario. I don't know what your time is worth but mine is precious to me.
Not to mention commuting pretty much rules out several good lifestyle options: day trips, picking up open time on short notice for extra pay, and bidding reserve intentionally so you can work less and be home more. I'm not saying don't do it, but if I have the choice, I know what I'll take.
11-25-2016 | 08:07 AM
#133
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In the past 2 years I can count on one hand the number of times I've missed a flight. And I have never had to stay a night in base after a trip ended. And sleeping in crew rooms is for FAs, pilots at the WOs have hotel money. Even when I was flying a build-up line, my trips at PSA were commutable out of CLT. Commuting is better for my quality of life. 5 minutes from the beach, 7-8 flights every day (and that's just on AA), no state income and much lower cost of living compared to living in base. Reserve would of been better living in base, but I was only on reserve for a few months. Go somewhere with short reserve times and it will be a moot point.
11-25-2016 | 07:49 PM
#134
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Thanks for all the replies guys! Apologies on the late reply, it's been a super busy holiday week.
I've interviewed at both and I've decided that PSA is the better outcome. Envoy just seems like I'd be hating life within a short amount of time. I take no pleasure in being JM'd or kept out for extended amounts of time by throwing in 30 hr overnights. I can hold a R2 line or within very short order out of training at PSA. I'll be taking a 3k bonus hit by going to PSA, but it seems I can make it up.
The flow is just a back-pocket item. PSA was very honest that the flow is 20+ years if everyone flows and about 6-8 years if you factor in non-AA hires. PSA said that Envoy will be equal to them in short time after the 824 and protected pilot groups flow.
I'd love to be able to go back to my 145, but the insane reserve times and horrible schedules make it an easy no decision.
I've interviewed at both and I've decided that PSA is the better outcome. Envoy just seems like I'd be hating life within a short amount of time. I take no pleasure in being JM'd or kept out for extended amounts of time by throwing in 30 hr overnights. I can hold a R2 line or within very short order out of training at PSA. I'll be taking a 3k bonus hit by going to PSA, but it seems I can make it up.
The flow is just a back-pocket item. PSA was very honest that the flow is 20+ years if everyone flows and about 6-8 years if you factor in non-AA hires. PSA said that Envoy will be equal to them in short time after the 824 and protected pilot groups flow.
I'd love to be able to go back to my 145, but the insane reserve times and horrible schedules make it an easy no decision.
Good decision. Congrats!
11-26-2016 | 04:54 AM
#135
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Thanks for all the replies guys! Apologies on the late reply, it's been a super busy holiday week.
I've interviewed at both and I've decided that PSA is the better outcome. Envoy just seems like I'd be hating life within a short amount of time. I take no pleasure in being JM'd or kept out for extended amounts of time by throwing in 30 hr overnights. I can hold a R2 line or within very short order out of training at PSA. I'll be taking a 3k bonus hit by going to PSA, but it seems I can make it up.
The flow is just a back-pocket item. PSA was very honest that the flow is 20+ years if everyone flows and about 6-8 years if you factor in non-AA hires. PSA said that Envoy will be equal to them in short time after the 824 and protected pilot groups flow.
I'd love to be able to go back to my 145, but the insane reserve times and horrible schedules make it an easy no decision.
I've interviewed at both and I've decided that PSA is the better outcome. Envoy just seems like I'd be hating life within a short amount of time. I take no pleasure in being JM'd or kept out for extended amounts of time by throwing in 30 hr overnights. I can hold a R2 line or within very short order out of training at PSA. I'll be taking a 3k bonus hit by going to PSA, but it seems I can make it up.
The flow is just a back-pocket item. PSA was very honest that the flow is 20+ years if everyone flows and about 6-8 years if you factor in non-AA hires. PSA said that Envoy will be equal to them in short time after the 824 and protected pilot groups flow.
I'd love to be able to go back to my 145, but the insane reserve times and horrible schedules make it an easy no decision.
11-26-2016 | 04:29 PM
#139
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False.. just saying I like it here. Sat reserve 2 months and had a crash pad one month before I realized I didn't even need it. I've commuted in the night before a few times just because I didn't feel like being up since 5 am for the commute in and in that case got refunded anyways. Just look at the glass half full when commuting. It's not always the best but 95% of the time I'm ok.
11-26-2016 | 04:57 PM
#140
Happy at PDT
Joined: Jan 2014
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From: EMB-145 CA
It's not bad at a WO. I did a 2-3 leg commute to ROA and CHO for 4 years. Now it's 1 leg usually and it's easy as pie. As I've stated before, even my wife has commuted most months to hang out in base with me on short stretches of time off. I have a dedicated airport car and it's like a little adventure. Meanwhile, we live where we want, low taxes, and I've paid down 30% of my mortgage with my triple premium and training efforts this year.
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